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Spider Expert 16/05/10(Tue)07:17 No. 752785
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Does English have a richer technical vocabulary than any other language?


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ian 16/05/10(Tue)16:40 No. 752795
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If those red parts are the English speaking countries, then that map is horribly wrong.


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Reimu Hakurei 16/05/10(Tue)16:45 No. 752796

>>752795
Given the filename I assume that pic shows in which countries the English wiki is the most popular. I have no idea how that relates to the actual topic though. It's possible OP misinterpreted it himself.


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Closet Furry 16/05/10(Tue)17:35 No. 752797

I would think that German is the best language for specificity because of compound words


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Closet Furry 16/05/11(Wed)07:06 No. 752812

>>752785
English aggressively borrows words and morphemes from other languages. This strength allows English speakers to give different connotations to words that are otherwise synonyms.

Without that strength we'd sound like https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.language.artificial/ZL4e3fD7eW0/_7p8bKwLJWkJ


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tee 16/05/11(Wed)17:30 No. 752825

>>752785
I can't say, as I don't speak that many languages. For sure I can tell you Japanese is the worst technical language. From it's gramatical bones to it's vague conjugations and random, completely incomprehensible (to its native speakers) loanwords, the whole language is designed to communicate by approximation and inference, not detail and comprehension.


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Weeabot 16/05/11(Wed)18:59 No. 752828

>>752825
>the whole language is designed to communicate by approximation and inference, not detail and comprehension.
A bowl is most useful when it is empty.


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Miku Fanboy 16/05/11(Wed)19:31 No. 752829

>>752828
What about when it's full of life saving water?


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Mudkip 16/05/11(Wed)19:31 No. 752830

>>752828
What about when it's full of life saving water?


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p4ch3c0 16/05/11(Wed)20:39 No. 752831
752831

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>>752828


Get the airwolf out.


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OP 16/05/11(Wed)20:41 No. 752832

>>752828
What about when it's full of ass saving astroglide?


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poe 16/05/12(Thu)03:03 No. 752835

>>752829
>>752832
It can only be filled with your desire when it is empty. Once filled with shit you are both out of luck.


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He-Man 16/05/24(Tue)17:23 No. 753290

>>752796
An image of where English is popular, in a thread about English.
Why would you think it innaproproate?


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Closet Furry 16/05/25(Wed)00:48 No. 753324

>>753290
Because it shows where the english *wiki* is the most popular. It doesn't demonstrate the english language as a whole is popular or "richer in technical vocabulary"; it just shows that people in certain areas can't be arsed to maintain a wiki in their native language so anyone who wants to look shit up needs to do so in english.


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PrettyPony 16/05/25(Wed)02:23 No. 753329

>>753324
So if there aren't enough Wikipedophiles to build a Wikipedia in their native tongue, why do they default to English specifically and not some other foreign language?


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Steve 16/05/25(Wed)02:41 No. 753330

>>753329
Because the english wiki is by far the largest and therefore most likely to have the information they're looking for.
English is also a pretty common "second" language; english media is so dominant that if you live in a country where foreign movies/series are subtitled rather than overdubbed you can literally learn to speak the language from watching tv, and it's a pretty easy language to learn.

I can use myself as an example actually; I learned to speak english at a very young age just from watching subtitled cartoons and later movies, expanded my vocabulary by reading stuff in english, and I only ever visit english websites simply because no matter what I'm looking for, I'm more likely to find it on an english/international website than on one in my own language.


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Weeabot 16/06/07(Tue)11:55 No. 754020

>>752812
That's interesting, but how many words would have been invented had it not been for the adoption of suitable foreign words?


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derp 16/06/07(Tue)18:53 No. 754029

>>753330
how's your pronunciation? shitty?


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Marisa Kirisame 16/06/07(Tue)21:18 No. 754030

>>753330
I thought English was one of the harder languages. Don't the bastardized spellings and conjugations take ages to memorize?

e.g. through though thorough thought although tough

is are was "shall have been"

house houses, mouse mice, ox oxen

seriously airwolfed language


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Mudkip 16/06/08(Wed)08:43 No. 754042

>>754030
Yes, it's certainly not the most clear or logical, but that doesn't mean it doesn't also have the richest technical vocabulary.
For example, computers and the internet were invented in the english speaking world, so many new words were coined.
In other languages, such as Spanish, the words are just borrowed from English.


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W. T. Snacks 16/06/08(Wed)09:49 No. 754046

English is what it is for the same reason French used to be and Latin before that; or Chinese of you're from an eastern culture and Hindi before that: imperialism.


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He-Man 16/06/09(Thu)00:48 No. 754070

>>754029
Good enough that Brits and 'Murrkans often don't realise I'm not a native speaker until it comes up in conversation, although my accent varies a bit depending on how much I've had to drink.

>>754030
Most languages have weird shit like that, and although English really doesn't make sense sometimes I guess if you're introduced to the language at an early enough age you develop a kind of "feeling" for what's right even if you don't know the actual grammatical rules (or even when there appear to be none).


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Christian Weston Chandler 16/06/09(Thu)14:00 No. 754088
754088

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>>754030
>I thought English was one of the harder languages.
It depends where you are from. German to English is a lot easier than French to English.

>Don't the bastardized spellings and conjugations take ages to memorize?
No worse than the irregular verbs of any other language.


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W. T. Snacks 16/06/09(Thu)18:19 No. 754091

>>752828
I like you.


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Moot 16/06/09(Thu)19:08 No. 754093

>>752835
Well, its just a dumb analogy at its core concept.

It's most useful in two instances.

1. When its empty and you can fill it.
2. When its full and you can draw from it.

"You can't have your cake and eat it, too"


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Closet Furry 16/06/09(Thu)20:20 No. 754094

>>754088
fun fact: this tree appliess only to western culture.

just sayin'

from what I have seen, asians do not regard their languages as having developed in any linear fashion; each country geographically more or less corresponding to and claiming the origin of one or more spoken tounges.

For none is this more true than spoken Japanese, whose only linguistic acquantence is spoken Korean. It's hard to tell in which direction cultural influence flowed; there's even a japanese tin-hat theory that the "Japanese" imperial family are the decendents of early Korean settlers. The two peoples have been acquainted for a long time. There are no other languages with greater syntactic or morphological similarity--none--and it's not much similarity. Note: Japan is also a desperately narcissitic culture, bent on determining its nobility through the unique "innovations" of its "culture" (not unlike the prc, the dprk, etc); grain of salt.

They don't fit into linguistic trees. Of course there's the domination of Chinese imperialsim, Kanji, Hanji, cultural exportation, etc. etc. It shouldn't be surprising that they have a hard time learning to understand our vastly different paragadims.

But I, for one, know that Ancient China and Ancient Inda had contact through Buddhism--linguistic contact that must have been influential (religious dogma has a way of shaping our lexicon). That's as far as it goes though, the outlying cultures of SE Asia more or less existed at that point as well, awaiting ages of domination, occupation, colonization, etc.


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Homicide 16/06/09(Thu)20:24 No. 754095

>>754093
Detail and comprehension.

This is a fine example of how romance and english language speakers make sense.


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r000t 16/06/09(Thu)21:18 No. 754098

>>754093
>It's most useful in two instances.

"Thirty spokes share the wheel's hub; It is the center hole that makes it useful.
Shape clay into a cup; It is the space within that makes it useful.
Cut doors and windows for a room; It is the holes which make it useful.
Benefit comes from what is there; Usefulness from what is not."


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Steve 16/06/10(Fri)08:47 No. 754111

>>754098
Usefullness is itself, beneficial. Try again, bhudda.


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derp 16/06/10(Fri)13:01 No. 754119

nothing more shallow than false depth


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Miku Fanboy 16/06/12(Sun)19:33 No. 754225

>>754098
I still like you.


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OP 16/06/18(Sat)05:32 No. 754546

What gibberish speaking alien wouldn't want to speak English. if it wasn't the best people wouldn't be on fire in the Middle East for saying black bed sheets are sexier than bikinis. I realise they want white skin, but that is ok only there, don't try to stop girls being horny for Japanese sake why the airwolfing airwolf would anyone want to do that what a airwolfing stupid idea women should be walking around in airwolfing lingerie. Still not asking for it? Slut, I don't care of you are telling me the magic words to growing my dick I want a horny little girl on a woman's body not a woman in a woman's body.

women only have mouths to suck dick like beavers only have buck teeth to open beer cans. Beer is for alchiholics real men drink water, supermen drink vodka. Pidgeons snort sugar powder. lemonade is a reasonable compromise provided cordial is applied.

Patriotism is for the patriarchy what the hell does patriarchy mean? It means patriotism is your patriotic duty.

Show me a woman that doesn't need dick and I will deem her a broken woman. Who can be fixed with dick.

Women say many things, scentence this words within does have.
Woman don't want to be muzzled, or cuddled they want entertainment. As Cindy Lauper? Said girls just want to have airwolf.


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r000t 16/06/30(Thu)11:52 No. 754972

>>752812
Source?


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tee 16/06/30(Thu)17:28 No. 754978

>>754972
Sometimes I wonder if people do this because they really don't know anything, or they are driven by a paranoid distrust of anyone claiming to state fact on the internet...

de jure (Latin, which composes about a third of English vocabulary)
tsunami (Japanese, along with "skosh" and others more obvious)
RSVP (French, which provided a second dose of Latin grammar and vocabulary)
forte fortissimo (Italian; they didn't invent music, there are other ways to say this)
algebra (Arabic, you's be surprised how much arabic you speak)

I'd find you more, but you get the picture. English is a giant, mutant mess of a language.

This is indeed advantageous in some ways however. In particular, English probably lacks a word for a new thing shorter than most other languages--it easily adopts from romance and germanic languages and English speakers have no linguistic pride to prevent them from borrowing words from any other source.

The main disadvantage, in my opinion, would be the haphazard fusion of German, Latin, and French grammar (SVO, SViOdO, SVOC; article adjectives; countable and uncountable nouns; irregular verb conjugations, etc). Most ESL/EFL student headaches result from attempting to reconcile the vastly different mechanisms of English into a unified system.


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N3X15 16/07/01(Fri)03:23 No. 754990
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_English_words_by_country_or_language_of_origin


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r000t 16/07/01(Fri)19:14 No. 755065

>>754990
thank you.

sometimes i forget to even look for resources and just dig things out of my brain. actually i have a terrible memory; i wish i could plug a cell phone into my brain and just download wikipedia on the fly. See, I know what I'm looking for--I just have shit capacity for storage; an off-site, online repository is what I need.


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Sonichu 16/07/12(Tue)10:11 No. 755398

>>754042
Citation needed!


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Novice Equestrian 16/07/12(Tue)10:15 No. 755399

>>754088
Where's Latin on that tree?
Also, it doesn't account for the intermingling of the languages.


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 16/07/12(Tue)17:58 No. 755405

>>755399
>Where's Latin on that tree?
Follow the line that starts with "ITALIC" (as in, of Italy); no one would leave that out. You may have noticed the complete exclusion of Asian languages; for which their must exist either a separate tree or a root deeper than Proto-Indo-European.

>Also, it doesn't account for the intermingling of the languages
Not that it isn't important, but for the purpose of that chart not so relevant. It's only showing how root languages split into sublanguages, not how each (surviving) language evolved into it's modern form. That would be a much more complicated chart, and quite a difficult task.

Take, for example, Modern English >>754978.
The Angles and Saxons who migrated from Germany and and warred with the Celts for what would become the British Isles certainly did not speak any romance language, but learned to when they were conquered by Rome and then, centuries later, by the Norman French. Culturally, they remained mostly Anglo-Saxon, but linguistically yes, quite a mess by that point already (try reading Canterbury Tales sometime). A few centuries later, the British Empire spread their language around the world, but also brought back new words and concepts from every corner of the earth while creating numerous dialects and creoles among their subjects. There aren't many languages English doesn't share something with these days.


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symbion 16/07/23(Sat)11:57 No. 755755

>>752825
Perhaps that is more due to the polite culture than to the language itself?
But also, language and culture are intertwined...


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 16/07/23(Sat)17:52 No. 755759

>>755755
>language and culture are intertwined
Indeed, you will find that Japanese people only understand things through approximation and inference, and are not really capable of communicating details and establishing comprehenshion. They seem to think this is because of their polite culture.

I find it difficult to get people to listen to what I say if I end sentences with definite verbs like "desu" (be verb) or "~masu" (action verbs) or by calling things by their actual names.

It's much easier to get understanding in Japan by being vauge, and taking the extra time that they take to arrive at a conclusion about what you intend to be saying--they way they do it to each other.

It's proposterous for me to teach Japanese grammar, so just take these as suggestions:

In place of desu and other "be" verb equivalents, reconjugate and use "desho", the seems-to-be verb. They will repsond as if you had asked a yes or no question, and possibly allow you to move on to your next point. In English it would sound like this (A & B are both Japanese people):
A: "That seems to be a dog."
B: "Yeah, must be."

Then you could go on to imply a purpose in your talking about the dog, to which they will reply by asking if there is a purpose in your talking about the dog.
A: "Speaking of dogs, I went to a pet shop yesterday."
B: "Did you go to a pet shop?"

At this point you might tell them anything really so long as it has even the most remote connection to that dog or dogs in general.

In japanese they call this "nemawashi" (going around the roots) and it is considered the only most supreme method of rhetoric in their language. The strategy here is to coerce another into agreeing with your point of view or understanding what you have to say by never getting to the point of it, but going all around the topic as many times as necessary until they come to the conclusion you have planned for them.

Some other annoying ways japanese people fail communicate :
"x tei-yuu (na) y"
a y said to be (an) x (by unnamed others) - because it is presumptuous for youself to be the one who knows what a thing is called. Knowing what a thing is will get you singled out as an otaku of that thing; no matter what the thing is. If you display any intrisnic knowlege of any subject matter they will call you "kuwashi" in an envious tone.

"x mitai-na y"
a y that seems/looks like (an) x - often used for wildly innapropriate comparisions; this is how you describe something to someone who has never experienced it. Japanes people, as a rule, have never experienced anything--even if they have. It is quite the faux pas to present yourself as having any kind of worldly experience, but acceptable to remember something like an experience if you can draw a comparision between it and any other mundane and marginally related expereinces.

A: "There was this really cute dog said to be a beagle."
B: "Said to be a beagle? What's does that seem to be? (desho?)"
A: "A cute kind of dog that comes from America."
B: "Oh yeah, America has lots of cute dogs."
A: "Right, and then there was this thing going on that seemed like a sale."
B: "What was the sale said to be?"
A: "It was said to be a springtime sale on dogs."
B: "Did you buy a dog?!"
A: "Well, it seems like I can't have pets in my apartment."
B: "That's too bad; so why did you go to the pet shop?"
A: "I like dogs, and I often think about getting one."
B: "Well then you'll have to move! Are you going to move?!"
A: "Exactly! I'm moving next month."
B: "Oh wow, congratulations! Are you going to get a dog then?"
A: "Well, I don't know, I'll have to check the apartment contract and speak to my landlord."
B: "Contract? Landlord? You really know a lot. (kuwashii...)"


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N3X15 16/07/24(Sun)06:27 No. 755775

>>755759
That sounds like a delightfully strawberryed way of communicating.


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Sazpaimon 16/07/24(Sun)07:57 No. 755780

>>755775
It's like all the effort of the Socratic method but applied to small talk instead of philosophical insights.


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Mudkip 16/07/24(Sun)08:50 No. 755782

>>755780
Philosophical insight you will find hauntingly lacking in modern Japanese people.
Superfluous effort, however, they have in great abundance.


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zeneslev 16/08/06(Sat)10:51 No. 756136
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>>755759
>approximation
Yet in other aspects, the Japanese are very fond of precision.


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PrettyPony 16/08/06(Sat)14:55 No. 756142

>>756136
Any excuse to work too hard is a good excuse to work too hard in Japan.


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Spiderman 16/08/12(Fri)13:54 No. 756383

>>752785
In computer science, a lot of languages have a shared vocabulary borrowed from English but morphologically integrated into their own language (for example, using the word "computer" but pluralizing it according to their own inflectional paradigms.)

In chemistry and biology, most languages including English have a shared vocabulary borrowed from Latin and Greek. Physics too, to a lesser extent.

So the answer in "not really." Most world languages will import words as needed. The words may come from English in some cases but they become German, Vietnamese, Urdu, etc.


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zeneslev 16/08/12(Fri)14:16 No. 756385

>>756383
Languages dont really share shit with English, because English is a language that stole shit from everything else.

Just like how America was founded.


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Steve 16/08/12(Fri)14:17 No. 756386

>>756383
computer itself is a latinate.

before the technological item existed, this described humans who were specialists of calculation.


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 16/08/23(Tue)04:48 No. 756793

>>755405
That says nothing of the specifically technical vocabulary, nor does it address the potential for words to develop on their own in the absence of a foreign influence.


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Lorf 16/08/23(Tue)07:35 No. 756804

>>756793
Yeah... Was I supposed to address that?


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Weeabot 16/08/23(Tue)17:03 No. 756813

I've head that Russian has a ton of great words that are next to impossible to translate, if you're into sci-fi literature.

I'm not into sci-fi literature and don't speak Russian, so I can't verify that.


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tee 16/08/23(Tue)20:25 No. 756817

>>756813
That's from the same properties of the Russian language that allows you to fill an entire dictionary with inflections of and compounds containing the word for dick (ั…ัƒะน).


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tee 16/09/29(Thu)19:56 No. 757901

>>754020
Why is that relevant?


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symbion 16/10/11(Tue)09:12 No. 758745

Youtube  >>755065
You will be able to someday.


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Spider Expert 16/10/11(Tue)14:45 No. 758761
758761

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>>758745
The future can't get here fast enough.


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Moot 16/10/16(Sun)07:47 No. 759012

>>752785
I have an english major friend.

Maybe she'll do research on this topic someday.


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 16/10/16(Sun)08:45 No. 759018

>>758761
Never leaving the house. All food in pill form. Having sex with a gelatinous blob vr'd to look like Oprah Winfrey from the "Color Purple".

I can't wait.


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O.P. 16/10/16(Sun)08:52 No. 759021

>>759018
Truly amazing times are coming my friend.


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Lorf 16/10/24(Mon)06:15 No. 759315

>>755782
I've no problem talking like that, but I wouldn't be so *shallow*.


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Weeabot 16/11/04(Fri)22:51 No. 759699

>>759012
I would be surprised, really, if no research has been done into this question already.

It seems simple enough.

I mean, they've done research on the information density, and syllable speed of languages.


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symbion 16/11/29(Tue)08:35 No. 760417

>>754546
What is this nonsense?


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r000t 16/11/29(Tue)23:31 No. 760431

>>752797
Too much ambiguity


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Twincess Applesparkle Rainbowfly 16/12/17(Sat)05:53 No. 760830

>>754046
I didn't ask why it is the way it is, but that would be another interesting question to think about.

You're probably right, by the way.

It seems pretty obvious.


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tee 17/01/04(Wed)22:43 No. 761435

>>754094
Source?


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zeneslev 17/01/04(Wed)23:12 No. 761440

>>761435
School and life.

Go get some.


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4chan user 17/01/19(Thu)20:04 No. 762007

>>761440
Not a reliable source.


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Mudkip 17/02/02(Thu)16:52 No. 762386

>>754046
The increased use of the English language globally has had an effect on other languages, leading to some English words being assimilated into the vocabularies of other languages. This influence of English has led to concerns about language death,[127] and to claims of linguistic imperialism,[128] and has provoked resistance to the spread of English; however the number of speakers continues to increase because many people around the world think that English provides them with opportunities for better employment and improved lives.[129]


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He-Man 17/02/16(Thu)10:15 No. 762693

>>753324
Okay, so it's not the most appropriate.

It's also not wholly inappropriate.


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Cryomancer 17/03/11(Sat)04:41 No. 763179

>>754978
That's not a source.


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Steve 17/03/11(Sat)06:46 No. 763185

>>763179
It's ok, wikipedo. I am a source; I am an English teacher.


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OP 17/03/11(Sat)14:01 No. 763216
763216

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>>763213
And then it was over, LOL.


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Sazpaimon 17/03/31(Fri)17:53 No. 763781

>>755405
>either a separate tree or a root deeper than Proto-Indo-European.

It would be interesting to see that tree.


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Sazpaimon 17/04/26(Wed)11:23 No. 764832

so many words


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p4ch3c0 17/05/13(Sat)13:26 No. 765922

>>752785
Hm... I think so.


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Weeabot 17/05/14(Sun)01:27 No. 765947

>>763781
Linguists are still trying to figure out the details of that. They don't always agree with each other about how the branches of such a tree should be connected because it's not always easy to tell which features of a language come from within and which are from mixing with other languages.


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Miku Fanboy 17/05/30(Tue)05:11 No. 767276

bump


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W. T. Snacks 17/06/16(Fri)00:44 No. 768075

>>752785
French has great potential for legal language
German has its best when it's about emotion
English works perfect when used scientifically

Think about it


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Nyan Cat 17/07/03(Mon)21:24 No. 768798

>>753324
That wasn't the point I was trying to make???


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Twincess Applesparkle Rainbowfly 17/07/04(Tue)01:43 No. 768803

>>752785
No. There isn't any good equivalent to the Swedish word "fackverkskonstruktion".

Truss work construction? Not as succint.


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 17/07/16(Sun)23:21 No. 769481

>>752797
That raises the question of how to measure vocabulary.


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[tags4lyf]PEARS 17/07/19(Wed)20:24 No. 769651

>>768803
It's literally the same number of syllables and morphemes in either languages; one just has more spaces than the other.


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Optimus Prime 17/07/20(Thu)05:20 No. 769679

>>769651
No one who speaks German could be an evil man.


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PrettyPony 17/07/20(Thu)12:01 No. 769716
769716

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>>769679


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Sonichu 17/07/21(Fri)16:11 No. 769870

>>769716
Lots of people like to claim that they're moral relativists until you bring up Hitler and slavery. It turns out that the majority of people don't have any concrete idea what exactly it is that they believe.


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W. T. Snacks 17/07/21(Fri)16:19 No. 769871

>>769870
>It turns out that the majority of people don't have any concrete idea what exactly it is that they believe
Where I grew up there are a lot of fans of both, who have very concrete beliefs about them, but i wouldn't credit them with having any ideas of any kind.



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