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Anonymous 19/03/02(Sat)20:41 No. 1273 ID: 1e5fb7
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These ISIS brides shouldn't have their citizenship revoked and should be allowed back into their countries of origin to be tried in a court of law. If you provide support to a terrorist organization you should be held accountable and not be allowed to walk free even if it is in a third world country.


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Anonymous 19/03/03(Sun)08:03 No. 1275 ID: e808a0

This >>1273. There is a due process of law. It is unconstitutional to do anything less than allow them reentry and put them on trial.


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Anonymous 19/03/08(Fri)15:10 No. 1286 ID: 630e4e

The US one renounced her citizenship, so no.


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Anonymous 19/03/09(Sat)16:38 No. 1290 ID: 2b9a5a

>>1286
>renounced her citizenship
Did she just say so or did she file the appropriate paperwork?
Yes, there is paperwork; yes you are required to fill it out and pay a fee; and no, you cannot just say you are not a citizen anymore.


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Anonymous 19/03/09(Sat)20:42 No. 1293 ID: 1e5fb7
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>>1290
Hoda Muthana burned her passport when she joined ISIS, so she never went through the proper process of renouncing citizenship. The State Department is claiming that she is not a citizen is because of the fact that her father was a Yemeni diplomat, and the children of diplomats are granted residency and not citizenship. But according to the paperwork submitted he was no longer a diplomat at the time of her birth. Unless some other evidence pops up, she is in all likelihood a citizen. So this whole thing saying that she isn't is either poorly researched or just a ploy to gain populist support.

You know what has legal precedent though? putting her in handcuffs and having her stand trial for her crimes.


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Anonymous 19/03/09(Sat)22:59 No. 1294 ID: 2b9a5a

>>1293
>You know what has legal precedent though? putting her in handcuffs and having her stand trial for her crimes.
Frankly, I'm surprised the administration isn't jumping at the chance to do this. As much as their populist base will hate to see her enter the US, I think they'd love so see her found guilty of treason and hanged more.

>according to the paperwork submitted he was no longer a diplomat at the time of her birth
She's a natural-born US citizen; there's no getting around it. The administration can probably blow enough smoke up the people's asses to put this off until we have the our next president or she dies in a refugee camp though.


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Anonymous 19/03/09(Sat)23:31 No. 1298 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1294
That's the part that kills me. The "tough on terrorism" part of trying her in court would totally fly as long as the president is Republican. My guess is that they are planning to pawn her off on the next administration or let her die in a camp like you said. But Trump seems to be more worried about the single soundbite that is denying her citizenship. Then whenever the decision is turned around claiming that the court that made the decision is "un-American". But in my mind him putting her on trial would make him look even better in the long term and would draw attention aware from the investigations surrounding his administration. So I don't understand the logic.


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Anonymous 19/03/10(Sun)13:38 No. 1299 ID: 18e5df
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>>1293
>He was no longer a diplomat when she was born
And he wasn't recalled? Retired Yemeni diplomats walk out of the embassy and just stay in America? Wtf?

That aside, going there and flying her here to have a nationally viewed circus trial to make a mockery of our courts and law, yet again, because she didn't file the proper paperwork to renounce a citizenship based on some strange diplomatic loophole really just doesn't seem worth it.

At best, we'd have to watch a retarded young woman hang and at worst have her loose in our society at some point in the future.


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Anonymous 19/03/11(Mon)07:08 No. 1302 ID: 31d802

>>1299
>going there and flying her here
The United States government has no obligation to do that; she has to make her own travel arrangements like any other citizen living abroad.

>Retired Yemeni diplomats walk out of the embassy and just stay in America
I doubt he was living in the embassy. There are all sorts of ways he may have transitioned to legal, permanent resident status. Since no one has brought it up, and you know Faux News would be all over it, he must have legal permanent residence status. In any case, it makes no difference. His daughter was born on American soil and the government was aware that he was not a diplomat at the time--she is a naturally-born citizen of the United States, learn to live with it.

Believe it or not people can live in the US and not be citizens and not be white. They aren't all undocumented unwashed, criminal, heathen scum come to rape your daughter and make you addict yourself to heroin. Go outside, meet some humans.

I will agree with your uneducated, disinformational opinion on one point though: it is a catch 22, and a gamble. There's the possibility she wouldn't be given the death penalty, and that she may someday be allowed her freedom. Personally I think every one of these expat ISIS brides and jihadis should be considered lifelong risks to national security: they are very likely to spread radical Islam, to engage in subversive or terrorist acts, and to raise their children to hate the United States. On the other hand, if we leave them to die in refugee camps, it will agitate the muslim community already living in the United States, and either way we may face a second generation of jihadis raised on home soil.

tl;dr:
1. The government should not foot the bill to bring home any of these terrorists.
2. There's no confusion or trickery, she's a citizen.
3. Brown skin is not a criminal act.
4. Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't.


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Anonymous 19/03/13(Wed)06:28 No. 1308 ID: 2cc438

>>1302
>1. The government should not foot the bill to bring home any of these terrorists.
Yeah,let's have a known terrorist fly commercial.
>3. Brown skin is not a criminal act.
Who said it was? It kind of is,though.


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Anonymous 19/03/13(Wed)23:57 No. 1309 ID: a870df
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>>1308
>It kind of is,though.
Except for that pesky white male American conservative terrorist problem.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)03:26 No. 1310 ID: 917b8b

>>1309
>Except for that pesky white male American conservative terrorist problem.
Yeah, remember when they did 9/11?

Here's one for you to wrap your head around:

Not every black/Mexican majority neighborhood in the US is bad, but every bad neighborhood in the US is majority black/Mexican.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)04:17 No. 1312 ID: 1e5fb7
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>>1310
Let's ignore the surging rates of drug use crime in the rural US which is primarily white.

You'll probably want to paint those people as victims, so I'll cut you off at the pass to prevent that from happening. Now walk it back because to try to save face like you're going to do. Or better yet say that it's about culture and not race. But guess what, the cultural divide between ethnic groups in the US is not as wide as you want to think.

The truth of it is that shitty situations create shitty places and shitty places create shitty people. It's a societal problem not an ethnic or cultural one.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)04:38 No. 1313 ID: b0f049
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>>1310
>9/11
9/11/2001

It's pathetic that you're so completely out of touch that you have to go back 18 years to find something to fit your preconceived narrative.

Meanwhile the rest of us just have to go back a few weeks.

Try to keep up with current events. Try cutting back on masturbating to your firearm collection.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)05:09 No. 1314 ID: 917b8b

>>1312
>Let's ignore the surging rates of drug use crime in the rural US which is primarily white.

Yeah, everyone is terribly frightened of the drug use in bad US neighborhoods. Definitely don't want to see anybody using drugs when I'm walking through a bad neighborhood at night.


>The truth of it is that shitty situations create shitty places and shitty places create shitty people.
>It's a societal problem not an ethnic or cultural one.

That chain of events you just described is black history in the US. And yes, it has become a big part of black culture and in many ways the black ethnic identity in the US.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)06:19 No. 1315 ID: 400ff0

>>1308
>let's have a known terrorist fly commercial
For reals, not our problem, LOL. She's welcome to try. Then again, why isn't Interpol on the case? These are globe-trotting criminals after all.

>Who said it was?
>It kind of is,though.
Hmm.... you?

>>1314
>black history in the US
You mean the history of white bureaucrats, white bankers, white property owners, and white police keeping black people out of less-populated, more affluent, "white" neighborhoods and concentrating them in impoverished, run-down corners of town; withholding funds for urban development and refusing to do anything about the crime and drug problems in those areas for so many generations they know nothing else? Oh yeah, must be their fault--they were just born that way.

You greatly underestimate how awful humanity is as a whole. The problem is not brown skin, the problem is homo sapiens.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)06:56 No. 1316 ID: 917b8b

>>1315
>You mean the history of white bureaucrats, white bankers, white property owners, and white police keeping black people out of less-populated, more affluent, "white" neighborhoods and concentrating them in impoverished, run-down corners of town; withholding funds for urban development and refusing to do anything about the crime and drug problems in those areas for so many generations they know nothing else? Oh yeah, must be their fault--they were just born that way.

Really, dude? That was only the last 100 years of it.

Americans bought black people at auction, separated families, branded them, force bred them, raped, kidnapped, and terrorized them. Not to mention, enslaved them for about 350 years before not wanting to sit on the same bus as them.

All that aside, America never learns. Don't pet a burning dog.


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)09:01 No. 1317 ID: 400ff0

>>1316
Oh yes, that too.

>>/7ch/8935


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Anonymous 19/03/14(Thu)20:27 No. 1318 ID: 917b8b

>>1317
Faggot

(ARGUMENT LOST, GO BACK THREE SPACES)


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)00:39 No. 1320 ID: a4b1de

>>1318
Gee, what a compelling argument.
You must really know your shit.
Please tell us more, shitmaster.


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)00:46 No. 1323 ID: 1e5fb7
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>>1320
Check the IDs. He's been in multiple posts. I guess he ran out of an argument lawls.


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)01:17 No. 1324 ID: 24d18d

>>1320
Wtf am I suppose to be arguing here?

I never said humanity doesn't suck. I said brown skin was kind of a crime and then you said it had to do with a shitty cycle, which is true. Then, what?

I called you a faggot for linking to a stupid post on possibly the worst board on this site. What? Was I supposed to see it and cheer?

Way to be overzealous when you don't know what's going on, mod. Pretty typical.

(ACTUALLY I WAS EATING DINNER IN THE OTHER ROOM)


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)05:02 No. 1325 ID: c16322

>>1324
>>1318
>>1317
Mkay. I see it.

>All that aside, America never learns. Don't pet a burning dog.
Was my overall point.

My argument stands that regardless of the circumstances of which it came to be, it's true that someone black/brown is more likely to commit a crime(also falsely imprisoned) making being brown more suspect and more often arrested making it kind of a crime.

Your series of bad situations, bad environments, bad people is the entire history of black people and now a lot of them are bad believe it or not.

If you're going to call me cold and racist, then refer back to my overall point.


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)13:45 No. 1326 ID: 4f2fe0

>>1323
I figured.

>>1324
>a stupid post on possibly the worst board on this site
LOL, way to get b& again, newfag.

>>1325
Racism is the diet-coke of hate: lets you think you aren't as bad as a misanthropist but actually just gives you cancer and alzheimer's in addition to making you look disgusting.

I agreed that white people started the cycle with the centuries of cruelty that you pointed out, which I took as a concession to my previous pointing out that the crisies of minority communities are the direct result of things white people have done to them.

You look down on brown people for acting out against a society that raises them on cruelty and dispair. I really thought you had almost wrapped your brain around the fact that there's nothing better about white people, who are responsible for centuries of crimes against humanity and repression around the globe. Winning doesn't make it right, and you're only on top until you aren't: the future is brown; prepare your nazi anus.

Too bad your mother aborted that half-black baby she got knocked up with in high-school; you might have been born into a very different point of view.

(YOU CAN SHUT UP TOO)


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)13:59 No. 1327 ID: 5a1576

>>1326
I don't look down on anyone for the hand they were dealt, but I see it for what it is.

It's not racism, retard. It's not everyone who happens to be born black/Mexican. It's just a lot more likely due to history.

Here's another one for you.

Not every black/Mexican majority school in the US is bad, but every bad school in the US is majority black/Mexican.


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)14:05 No. 1328 ID: 5a1576

>>1326
>>1327
Also, your naivety shows you've never lived around black people before. Hint, the black people you met at college are not the ambassadors of black people.


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Anonymous 19/03/15(Fri)18:16 No. 1329 ID: ddbdf1
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>>1328
He apparently hasn't figured out that charter schools are some of the worst schools in the nation, and the majority of them are full of white students.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)00:35 No. 1330 ID: a17140

>>1329
Name 3 of these bad "white charter schools" that are consistently dangerous, have high dropout rates for freshman/sophomores, and/or are ranked lower than a black/Mexican school of similar means.

Too difficult? Name 1.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)01:10 No. 1333 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1330
Not that guy, and I know little about charter schools other than they have a piss poor reputation where I live, but violence in rural schools is common, and drug use is higher than urban areas. The majority of those schools, except for a few areas in the Deep South and Southwest, will be white.

http://criminal-justice.iresearchnet.com/crime/school-violence/rural-school-violence/

The problem you will run into is that you are making blanket statements, and blanket statements are almost always untrue. It's shit your 55-year old uncle says at dinner. Like, "The worst schools are full of blacks or Mexicans".

It's easy to digest, and simple to understand. We wrap ourselves up in it like a security blanket. But the first step is to determine if it is true, and usually we find that is much more complicated. Like, yes there is plenty of violence and drug use at schools that are not minority-majority. Then we have to determine why. Schools are underfunded across the board, and there is evidence that those with the means to do so seek to keep the money available for their distribute, therefore starving poorer areas. It's multi-faceted, with no simple solution.

That's why people are arguing with you. You're using armchair philosophy to sum up complex societal issues.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)10:12 No. 1334 ID: a17140

>>1333
Just google the top 10, 50, 100 worst high schools and grade schools in the US.

Don't believe the articles pictures and put those school names into googl images and see.

Would that old uncle say this?
America owes black people reparations for what this country has done to them.
Every "person of color" tries to jump on the oppression train, but the reality is black people have had it way worse than anyone can possibly imagine and I find it gross people try to take advantage of that oppression, which is still present today. They deserve what everyone else in this god damn country received, an opportunity.

That being said, illegal Mexicans can get the fuсk out. Don't call me racist for thinking that. Mexicans are people from Mexico and they are not a race.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)10:47 No. 1335 ID: a17140

>>1334

Also:

"Progressive" pussy half measures have fuсked up this country, people, and laws.

The 13th amendment
The 14th amendment
Reconstruction
The New Deal
Desegregation
Title VII laws
Hate crime laws
Minimum wage
Affirmative Action

All terrible racist token efforts that have fucked everyone over, especially black people. Please stop already. You're racist and horrible.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)16:16 No. 1336 ID: 0ccd16
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>>1334
>reparations
The thing we were supposed to have learned from WWI was that forcing people to pay reparations, however owed, only leads to economic collapse and greater conflict.

Rather than pay reparations, we have to only to afford every citizen within our borders equal opportunity to succeed. That is the only way we can make a peaceful union of our society.

>Mexicans are people from Mexico and they are not a race
Believe it or not, a great many hispanics are US citizens and have been for many generations (see map), ever since we seized the upper two-thirds or so of Mexico for ourselves in colonizations and wars of aggression. On top of that, we've been using Mexican citizens as cheap, migrant labor ever since. The fact of the matter is we couldn't survive without them, legal or otherwise.

>>1335
Your thinly veiled attempt to promote your neo-nazi politics as ironically egalitarian has not gone unnoticed. There is a very tiny grain of truth in your pile of bullshit though: the constitution itself should have undone institutionalized racism the moment it was ratified by the very wording of it, many of these amendments and acts are redundant reinforcements, clarifications, and slight alterations of ideas it already put forward.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)17:44 No. 1339 ID: 1e5fb7
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>>1334
>Every "person of color" tries to jump on the oppression train, but the reality is black people have had it way worse than anyone can possibly imagine
*Laughs in Native American*

I speak from experience on the matter. My mother's family are members of a federally recognized tribe from the South, and my father's family are upper-middle class white people from the Midwest. My tribal registration card is in my back pocket as I type this.

If you go to my mother's family and ask them if they have been oppressed they would say "Yes". After all my mother's generation were carted off to substandard Indian schools, my grandfather's generation were taken from their homes and shipped to Carlisle, hell when I was a boy the Sheriff in the county I lived in went on record saying, "If you see an Indian standing on a street corner you are watching a crime being committed" and stayed in office. So this isn't exactly some problem from 100 years ago.

Now go ask my father's family if they have "white privilege". The answer will be "No". They come from coal country, an area that has been in an economic depression for as long as I've been alive. I understand that the term white privilege is supposed to mean "due to historical reasons white people had advantages not afforded to others so generally speaking the subsequent generations will benefit from that head start" but some poor fuck from Clay County, WV who is struggling to feed his kids doesn't want to hear it and I don't blame him.

The truth is that this is a wedge issue, and those in power want to keep power and often that means pitting groups against each other. You don't fix shit with reparations and diversity quotas. If not enough girls are entering the STEM field you don't correct that forcing college admissions offices to accept more females, you fix it by starting programs to get girls interested in STEM in elementary school. You don't fix lack of opportunities in minority-majority areas by handing out free money. You do it by attracted businesses to economically disadvantaged areas. You don't stop cops from shooting black guys more often by villainizing them, you do it with better and more comprehensive deescalation training. You don't fix immigration by building a wall, but by realizing that the system is broken, that the people that are here illegally today by and large came here legally and then got fucked, and rectifying that problem.

Yeah, historically white people had it a hell of alot better than nonwhites, and people today benefit from that advantage. But that's history. Nothing can be done about that. If people want better lives they have to work towards a solution together rather than making it about blacks, or whites, or gays, or women, or any other damned thing.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)18:36 No. 1340 ID: a17140

>>1336
>forcing people to pay reparations
Im not saying we should force people to pay reparations. The government should overhaul welfare and social programs for "underprivileged" people and give it to the people who are actually underprivileged and have been for generations. Whether they want the money/land or not, this country needs to publicly acknowledge what it has done and pay for it in lump sum, if necessary, to make amends for it's failure to help black people after slavery.

>hispanics

Nope. Mexicans. Everybody wants to drag other Latino groups into it and focus on those migrant caravans, but in reality the vast vast majority of illegals are Mexican and from Mexico. Mexicans started the Mexican American War and we shouldn't feel bad for winning. Their country's problems are their own.

>neo-nazi
Disgusting. Fascism is for fags.

>There is a very tiny grain of truth in your pile of bullshit though: the constitution itself should have undone institutionalized racism the moment it was ratified by the very wording of it, many of these amendments and acts are redundant reinforcements, clarifications, and slight alterations of ideas it already put forward.

Want me to break it down for you?

>The 13th amendment
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

"No more slavery or indentured servitude." Which really means you can't own black people, but because they don't speak plainly and admit exactly what they mean, it turns into arresting and convicting black people for nothing and enslaving them again via the "prisoner clause" allows slavery to continue to this day.

>The 14th amendment
>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

What they really mean are black people and former slaves(black people) are equal citizens now, but they can't just say that, so they make some arbitrary half ass amendment that leads to an interpretation of "every pregnant foreign woman just needs to be on American land to have a citizen child", which as you know has led to problems which have nothing to do with the original intent.

>Reconstruction
Pretty much operation "Enduring Freedom" except in the South. Rebuild the South and force equality, then when black people finally start relying on federal protection, the government leaves and Jim Crowe and segregation comes into legalize making black people second class citizens. All could of been avoided if they'd written the 14th amendment honestly.

>The New Deal
Starts the welfare system that leads to destabilization of the black community and funds the first housing projects that lead to unpolicible unfunded high rises that become vertical slums.

>Desegregation
Makes desegregation illegal, but makes no mention of integration that specifically mentions black people. Segregation is still rampant today without the need for law.

>Title VII laws
Yay guys! Equality! Except instead of saying "Gtfo of my office. We don't hire niggers." just say "We just don't think you're a good fit at this company." or better yet just throw the resume in the trash when you see a black name.

>Hate crime laws
Don't specifically mention black people.

>Minimum wage
Stops black people from getting jobs by not allowing them to work for less than white people. Letting people hire more whites because everyone works for the same wage now. Not to mention that it stagnates worker wages.

>Affirmative Action

Mentions black people but not slavery. This allows African immigrants to steal education advantages and opportunities specifically meant for American black people who are disadvantaged due to past racism.

All bullshit that has either backfired on Americans especially black people or gives foreign people/other minorities the opportunity to take advantage of our vaguely written laws.

All because we are incapable of speaking the truth aloud. THIS COUNTRY HAS WRONGED AMERICAN BLACK PEOPLE AND NEEDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)18:57 No. 1341 ID: a17140

>>1339
>*Laughs in Native American*

Yeah, remember when we bought natives at auctions then force bred them for physical prowess so we could make more money selling their children?
Oh, wait that only happened to black people. Every group in this country has been oppressed at some point, but nothing close to what black people have experienced.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)19:38 No. 1344 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1341
>Yeah, remember when we bought natives at auctions then force bred them for physical prowess so we could make more money selling their children?
Yeah and 90% of the Native population was wiped out due to Manifest Destiny. They tried to enslave Natives but it's kind of hard to enslave people when they know the terrain better than you. I'm 100% sure you're trying to troll but 1.) You're not saying that's causing any of the 6 other people here to rage. and 2.) I've been at this way too long to let shit get to me. You have derailed the thread though so I'll give you points for that.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)19:58 No. 1345 ID: a17140

>>1344

I'm honestly not trolling.

>Yeah and 90% of the Native population was wiped out due to Manifest Destiny.

Yeah,those are Indians, not Americans. They fought wars against us and lost. They traded their land away for beads and whiskey. They were mistreated, but nowhere near black oppression and are not even American, let alone mainstream American like black people have always been.

You savages killed a lot of settlers and each other's tribes for money and revenge. Indians had a chance and failed. Black people never had a chance, and this country owes them that.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)20:14 No. 1347 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1345
Yet most of the examples you highlight about African Americans, like them being bought and sold as slaves occurred before they were citizens, so by your own logic no harm no foul.

Listen, to be an effective troll you have to beat people people at their own game. You're trying to do this with your "oppression Olympics" argument but it's just falling flat on it's face because your arguments have to be coherent.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)20:45 No. 1348 ID: a17140

>>1347
Citizens or not they lived with and among Americans. Their history is American history. They have contributed to every facet of American culture. They weren't living on the frontiers. They lived in the North and South among Americans. They never fought wars against America and they have contributed to every American war effort on the side of the United States. They would've done more if Americans had let them.

Black people were forcibly brought here as slaves to work for free to make this country and it's citizens rich and prosperous, then were railroaded time and again.

Don't compare any other people to black people. It is apples and oranges.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)21:23 No. 1350 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1348
Natives "lived among Americans" too. That's why you have tribes in North Carolina, New York, South Carolina, Florida, and Michigan. They have always "lived among Americans", though many other were forced onto reservations out in the Indian territory and beyond. That's where the phrase "the only good Indians are tame" is from. And cultural contribution? Yeah I'm sure no one's heard of potatoes, tomatoes, squash. Were would Italian food be without tomato sauce or central and Eastern European food be without potatoes as a staple crop? These are food first cultivated by Native Americans, who then taught Europeans and eventually Americans?

And regardless, the whole point of being anti-racist is that no life, regardless of ethnicity, is of less value than any other, so your "blacks lived among Americans thus they deserve more" is self defeating. You're not beating me in an argument, you're beating yourself in an argument.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)23:39 No. 1351 ID: a17140

>>1350
>tribes
>forced onto reservations

Oh, so they got to keep their culture and history, then the government reserved some land that was then given to them? Doesn't sound too bad in comparison to receiving nothing after a forced enslavement of 300+ years that erased a people's entire ethnicity and history.

>"the only good Indians are tame"

I don't think there's an "only good black people anything" saying.

>And cultural contribution? Yeah I'm sure no one's heard of potatoes, tomatoes, squash. Were would Italian food be without tomato sauce or central and Eastern European food be without potatoes as a staple crop? These are food first cultivated by Native Americans, who then taught Europeans and eventually Americans?

Those are crops(Indians didn't invent them) and they're all from Central/South America. So, you're saying of the hundreds of tribes of the US, the only contribution you can name offhand are 2 fruits and a vegetable that aren't from the US?
You would've been better off bringing up tobacco and corn. Thanks for the cigarettes and corn syrup, Chief!

Let me be clear, I'm only concerned with US Americans and America. Mexico is Mexico's business. If Latin Americans are concerned about racism, they can take it up with Spain, which, ironically, nobody does. I also dgaf about Europe.

>And regardless, the whole point of being anti-racist is that no life, regardless of ethnicity, is of less value than any other, so your "blacks lived among Americans thus they deserve more" is self defeating.

So you're going to define the point of antiracism then put my views outside of your definition to control an argument were not having?
Pathetic.

>so your "blacks lived among Americans thus they deserve more" is self defeating.

Not at all and btw, I'm not saying "blacks deserve more". I'm saying blacks deserve it all. At once. In money and/or land.

I'm stating the truth and my thoughts on it as it pertains to my country and it's history. You can make all the dumb arguments that you want.


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Anonymous 19/03/16(Sat)23:53 No. 1352 ID: a17140

>>1350
>>1351
Also, fyi, whites invented race to separate black people from humanity. Everybody talks about "race" like it pertains to them when it's only really for American black people.

Here's a simple example for you:

"Hey, Hispanic person. What's your ethnicity?"

"I'm Peruvian" or "Soy Mexicano"

"Hey, White person. What's your ethnicity?"

"I'm German" or "Irish" or "Danish" or a mix of a bunch of European countries.

"Hey, Black person. What's your ethnicity?"

"I have no fucking clue because my ancestors were taken prisoner somewhere in Africa and sold as property to Americans where the brutal practices of slave owners effectively erased my entire ethnic history and cultural identity."


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)01:12 No. 1355 ID: 1e5fb7

>>1352
>>1351
I'm glad you had an opportunity to think about it before you came back. Sure, Natives didn't invent those crops, but no one invented crops, unless you count the Indus and Euphrates river valley civilizations inventing agriculture as inventing "crops". But Natives were the first to plant and harvest them, and Natives taught this to the settlers at Jamestown how to do it so they wouldn't starve to death during the winter.

And since you say "I'm only concerned with US Americans and America", there is nothing more American than Native Americans. That's why the Lafayette Escadrille, the American fighter squadron that fought for the French before the American entry into World War I painted their planes with a Native American chief in a war bonnet. That's why so many sports teams chose the Native American as their mascot (even though some of those mascots might be racist).

Native Americans were the first Americans. Before blacks and whites and racism itself, they were here, in America. My grandfather volunteered for service in World War II and he was not born a citizen (he was born in 1921, Native Americans weren't granted citizenship until 1924) even though his family lived on the land that he was born on for at least 1,600 years, and he volunteered because he was an American. Natives have served this country since the beginning, and oftentimes got shit for it. There are no truer Americans than the first ones, and it's funny how they didn't ask for shit in return except common respect.

I don't care about your measuring stick of oppression, I don't care about about you trying to get me angry by saying that Natives sold their homes for "whiskey and beads". The words of some random person on the internet mean nothing to me. I've already tried to hone in on the point that making this country better will involve making it better for everyone, but I guess you felt like repeating me.

Thank you again for proving my point.


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)03:03 No. 1356 ID: a17140

>>1355
>I'm glad you had an opportunity to think about it before you came back

This may surprise you, but some of us have things to do that aren't drinking fire water and gambling in a teepee all day.

>And since you say "I'm only concerned with US Americans and America", there is nothing more American than Native Americans.
>That's why the Lafayette Escadrille, the American fighter squadron that fought for the French before the American entry into World War I painted their planes with a Native American chief in a war bonnet.

Probably because they'd learned of Indians fighting for the French against the colonies in the French and Indian War, and again, against Americans in the Revolutionary War, and a third time siding with the British in the War of 1812.
This is all separate, of course, from the Indian Wars between Americans and the American Indians that finally ended in 1924 with the end of the Apache Wars.

>There are no truer Americans than the first ones, and it's funny how they didn't ask for shit in return except common respect.

I can't speak for your personal feelings or your grandpa's, but Indians as a group(s) hate this country. They still feel that we stole their land and genocided them. They want revenge for past wrongs.

Also, I believe they actually did ask for a lot of things that they just never received.

>I don't care about your measuring stick of oppression, I don't care about about you trying to get me angry by saying that Natives sold their homes for "whiskey and beads". The words of some random person on the internet mean nothing to me.

Keep telling yourself that, Chief Lives-A-Lie.

>I've already tried to hone in on the point that making this country better will involve making it better for everyone, but I guess you felt like repeating me.

I'm afraid our points differ greatly. I want to make things better for Americans. You want to make things better for American Indians. But, what's better for American Indians has always been what's worse for America. So, unfortunately, our goals conflict.

PS: People named their teams after Indians and have them as mascots because they're a novelty. We named our towns, streets, and cities after Indians for the same reason. Because they sound funny, look ridiculous, and we were short of ideas.


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)03:07 No. 1357 ID: a17140

>>1356
>>1355
>War bonnet
Lol And if you want more proof of the Indians's absurdity just look at your own terms.


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)09:29 No. 1358 ID: 0ccd16

>>1340
>Want me to break it down for you?
Is this willful ignorance or are you a divisive Russian spambot with no contextual understanding of United States history?

>All could of been avoided if they'd written the 14th amendment honestly.
Only a machine could conclude that semantics perpetuated an era of dehumanization and oppression. Humans don't just stop doing a thing because they're told to, robot. Sometimes they even do things that are against their own interests, like engaging in pointless arguments with software.

>Segregation is still rampant today
Where? Also, go back one sentence and reprocess that with en_us-grammar.exe

>>Hate crime laws
>Don't specifically mention black people.
...and they should because the only victims of "hate crime" are black? Your database is corrupt.

>>Minimum wage
>Stops black people from getting jobs by not allowing them to work for less than white people. Letting people hire more whites because everyone works for the same wage now. Not to mention that it stagnates worker wages.
So it would be a good thing to give black people a choice between unemployment or wage disparity, and employers would be incentivised out of their racism by the opportunity? Are you a research project from the University of Racist Technology in Moscow?


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)10:24 No. 1359 ID: 9b493d

>>1358
I like how you ignored the points you couldn't argue. It's not that I'm doing the same to you. It's just that logical arguments have to be falsifiable, and character attacks can't be argued, nor are they really worth addressing anyway.

>Where?

Well, there are a lot. My hometown for one.
I'll give you some hints. Democratic party stronghold. Hilary Clinton is from an affluent suburb of it, Bernie Sanders went to college here, and where Barack Obama got his political start.

>Also, go back one sentence and reprocess that with en_us-grammar.exe
K
>Desegregation
Makes segregation illegal, but makes no mention of integration that specifically mentions black people. Segregation is still rampant today without the need for law.


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Anonymous 19/03/17(Sun)20:33 No. 1360 ID: 6a36b1

>>1358
>they should because the only victims of "hate crime" are black? Your database is corrupt.

If you're gay and walking down the street, how would anyone know that you are gay?

Will you be carrying a flag around with you?
No.

If you're black and walking down the street, how would anyone know that you're black?

BECAUSE YOU'RE BLACK!

It's bullshit that people are trying to exploit the oppression black people have gone through to fuel identity politics and abuse our social welfare system. Also, exploit American guilt over slavery and race to allow illegal immigration.


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Anonymous 19/03/18(Mon)00:36 No. 1361 ID: 34ac3c

>>1359
I ignored the nonsense that didn't bear a response.

I see now this applies to everything you post.

Enjoy being alone.


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Anonymous 19/03/18(Mon)20:47 No. 1362 ID: a870df

>>1360
>If you're gay and walking down the street, how would anyone know that you are gay?
You clearly don't know very many, if any, gay people.

Which is kind of surprising for a guy who constantly claims to be from Chicago. Its almost, hear me out, like you're not actually from Chicago. But lying? On the internet? About where you live? That's never done.

>>1361
He's not alone. He has a lot of friends. In St. Petersburg.


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Anonymous 19/03/18(Mon)23:23 No. 1363 ID: bd9466

>>1362
>You clearly don't know very many, if any, gay people.

Please tell us some of the visible attributes you use to determine someone is gay.

The way you try to dehumanize anyone who disagrees with you makes me think that you're a bigot.


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Anonymous 19/03/19(Tue)04:23 No. 1364 ID: 65bda9

>>1362
>In St. Petersburg
LOL, I think he has a whole dev team in fact.

I wonder how many rubles they get paid to try to steer the political narrative of the US from places as obscure as this?

I get how it's effective though: you start at the fringes of a complacent culture and work your way in. If they're running a thousand copies of him on a thousand other sites, they're bound to hook enough dullards to forment a conspiracy theory, then snowball it into a movement. They're betting that a significant number of people are at least dumb enough to believe it if they hear it from another person--even if that person is dumb enough to believe anything they hear.


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Anonymous 19/03/19(Tue)06:16 No. 1365 ID: 455771
1365

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>>1364
Think of 7chan as an AI training ground. Few human beings visit the site, yet there's still people around to interact with the AI so it can learn to act more human.

However when it goes off the rails there's limited consequences since so few people visit the site. A complete meltdown, like what's on display in this thread, has gone virtually unnoticed by most of the site.

And best of all they can keep refining their models without fear of investigation or discovery since the servers are hosted in Russia.


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Anonymous 19/03/23(Sat)00:30 No. 1366 ID: a870df
1366

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>>1363
Thanks for the confirmation that you live in a very isolated social circle. Its not that surprising since you're a gun fetishist.


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Anonymous 19/03/23(Sat)07:03 No. 1367 ID: 24d7ab

>>1366
>live in an isolated social circle
You'll need to troll in English if you want to demean me.


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Anonymous 19/03/23(Sat)18:56 No. 1368 ID: 236d1a

>>1366
Oh, don't mind him--just some buggy software pretending to have a political opinion.


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Anonymous 19/03/23(Sat)19:58 No. 1370 ID: 1e5fb7
1370

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>>1362
>>1364
>>1366
>>1368
He's argued that the minimum wage is discriminatory because it doesn't allow black people to work for less than people of other races. He's argued that anti-discrimination laws are ineffective because they don't mention black people specifically, even though such laws prohibit discrimination based upon race, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, sexual orientation, and a number of other things which makes adding the phrase "Oh, and black people too" redundant. It's easy to want to believe that he's some Russian shillbot because it allows you to sleep better at night since it should not be possible to be that stupid. And when confronted he begins to rail against other minorities, both ethnic and sexual. But ladies and gentlemen you are forgetting one thing about dealing with people on the internet,

AUTISM. IS. UNSTOPPABLE.

It knows no bounds. It can go beyond the lowest of depths. It can defy the simplest of reasoning. He's probably some idiot trying to LARP as a black guy to prove some point which inside his head is completely logical. But he's so screwed in his gourd that it all just comes out as incoherent rants. I've seen it many times before. It's best to go grab some popcorn, your beverage of choice, and have a laugh.


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Anonymous 19/03/24(Sun)03:18 No. 1371 ID: 236d1a

>>1370
I really would rather believe he's an AI in training than such a monumental strawberry. It would keep me up at night to think such an abomination is a member of the human race. Unfortunately, you may well be right. As 7chan has proven time and again, there is no accounting for the level of stupid and crazy people may bring to the internet.


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Anonymous 19/03/25(Mon)14:35 No. 1372 ID: 71a48b

>the minimum wage is discriminatory because it doesn't allow black people to work for less than people of other races.

I said that the minimum wage was discriminatory against black people. That before it was instituted even racists would hire a black person over a white person if it meant that they could save money by paying them less. It may be hard for an entitled, half retarded, commie piece of shit like you to fathom, but some people would rather have a job that pays less than have no job at all.

Because of minimum wage, black people lost their leverage to negotiate wage and racists went back to hiring white people.

Btw, I'm not the first person to notice this or bring it up.

>laws prohibit discrimination based upon race, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, sexual orientation, and a number of other things

I must've forgotten that the Civil Rights Movement was about national origin and ethnicity or that Jim Crowe barred people from public facilities and businesses based on age, gender, and sexual orientation.

After all, Martin Luther King did have a dream that little nonbinary zes and elderly gay Italian girls could get a public service job and immediately demand tax dollars to pay for reassignment surgery and hormone therapy.

You usurpers and idiots fucking make me sick. I sincerely hope you and that Russiabot retard die of fucking cancer.


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Anonymous 19/03/25(Mon)16:32 No. 1375 ID: 1e5fb7
1375

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>>1372
>I said that the minimum wage was discriminatory against black people. That before it was instituted even racists would hire a black person over a white person if it meant that they could save money by paying them less. It may be hard for an entitled, half retarded, commie piece of shit like you to fathom, but some people would rather have a job that pays less than have no job at all.
Hey guys, I think that people should be paid the same wage for the same work so you know what that means, right? I'm a Communist! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is why I don't even think you are black. My family WERE visible minorities in the segregated South, and once desegregation was enacted and the Civil Rights Act passed my grandparents pushed my parents generation to get an education and take advantage of the new opportunities available so that they "would never have to work a day on a white man's farm". If you were black you'd get your ears boxed in at your own family reunion.

Or maybe you are black and you have the most amazing inferiority complex ever seen, where someone dreams of being a sharecropper who is treated like dirt by his racist white boss.

>After all, Martin Luther King did have a dream that little nonbinary zes and elderly gay Italian girls could get a public service job and immediately demand tax dollars to pay for reassignment surgery and hormone therapy.

"I have a dream that one day down in Alabama — with its vicious racists, with its Governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification — one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers."

The Civil Rights Movement was about everyone having equal right and opportunities under the law. Everyone. Not to mention that yes other groups did fight for their rights, like the Chicano Movement and the American Indian Movement, not to mention the Women's Liberation Movement. But they don't matter I guess. Now go ahead and give me another snarky comment about how they were less important because "muh negroes need to be paid less". But that doesn't change the fact that even if sexual or national minorities are covered under the law, that doesn't make black people less covered under the same law.


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Anonymous 19/03/25(Mon)18:35 No. 1377 ID: 71a48b

>>1375
>Hey guys, I think that people should be paid the same wage for the same work so you know what that means, right? I'm a Communist! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

There's a difference between your well wishes and reality.

>If you were black you'd get your ears boxed in at your own family reunion.
Such a stereotype. Pathetic.

>The Civil Rights Movement was about everyone having equal right and opportunities under the law. Everyone. Not to mention that yes other groups did fight for their rights, like the Chicano Movement and the American Indian Movement, not to mention the Women's Liberation Movement. But they don't matter I guess.

Only a goon like you could correctly quote a line I was satirizing and still not see that MLK and everyone else was talking about black and white boys and girls. Pieces of shit like you just hijacked the movement and marginalized the black community, yet again, by making it about "everyone".

I really don't know why I bother since you only see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

Assholes like you who've completely ignored history to bastardize the meaning of the 14th amendment from a well intentioned reconstruction measure to naturalize former BLACK slaves and their children into the HUMAN right of every pregnant Mexican woman who can jump a fence to make their baby a US citizen. People like you are why America is currently in turmoil, and I doubt you'll ever acknowledge it.

(NOT VERY CIVIL)


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Anonymous 19/03/29(Fri)01:15 No. 1378 ID: a870df
1378

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>>1375
Its funny how he claims he's only voting for the libertarian candidate because he doens't like the major parties, yet somehow he ends up towing the American libertarian party line so cleanly he couldn't be more libertarian if he tried.


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Anonymous 19/03/30(Sat)10:16 No. 1379 ID: 3d49ec

>>1378
You are talking about, at least, two different people.


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)00:19 No. 1380 ID: b0f049

>>1379
According to him there's only two people on /civ/


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)05:16 No. 1381 ID: 3bc226

>>1380
You're a retard


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)08:07 No. 1382 ID: 18caf2
1382

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>>1381


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)13:31 No. 1383 ID: b0f049
1383

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>>1381
I'm not saying there's only two people on /civ/, he is.

Try stopping and thinking before reflexively hitting the reply button next time.


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)16:31 No. 1384 ID: 74a414
1384

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>>1383
>reflexively
Four days passed.


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Anonymous 19/04/02(Tue)19:30 No. 1385 ID: 71b6f0

>>1383
Who's he? You're babbling.


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Anonymous 19/04/03(Wed)00:15 No. 1386 ID: 71b6f0

>>1377
>(NOT VERY CIVIL)
And why should I be civil about it?


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Anonymous 19/04/03(Wed)13:40 No. 1387 ID: b0f049
1387

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>>1384
It took him four days to type a message and hit the reply button?

Again, stop and think before clicking reply. Is there any other way of interpreting what the person wrote? Is your kneejerk really the only possible way it could be interpreted?


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Anonymous 19/04/03(Wed)17:09 No. 1388 ID: 8ba785
1388

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>>1387
What comes before now is no different than what is now,
or what is to come. It is your shitposting.


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Anonymous 19/04/05(Fri)18:50 No. 1389 ID: 51c08f
1389

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>>1388
Best viewed in 1024x768!


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Anonymous 19/04/06(Sat)01:15 No. 1390 ID: 8b0fcd
1390

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>>1388
Alas, dear shitposter, I could never hold a candle to you.


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Anonymous 19/04/06(Sat)12:39 No. 1391 ID: 80cf3a
1391

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>>1390
I accept your surrender.


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Anonymous 19/04/07(Sun)04:19 No. 1392 ID: ae6dae

>>1388
stop breathing


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Anonymous 19/04/09(Tue)08:00 No. 1393 ID: daee24
1393

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>>1391
You misunderstood a simple sentence.

This is completely not a surprise.


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Anonymous 19/04/09(Tue)16:59 No. 1394 ID: 31174a

>>1387
>>1388
>>1389
>>1390
>>1391
>>1392
>>1393
Shut the fuck up. You're all gay. It doesn't matter who is gayer than who. Collectively, you are all the gayest most insufferably retarded faggots that have ever fucking lived.


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Anonymous 19/04/10(Wed)05:42 No. 1395 ID: 57e6cb
1395

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>>1394 has a point.
Shit's gay, get me out of your false dichotomy.
Trolls trolling trolls trolling robots trolling trolls.
We all shitpost together.


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Anonymous 19/04/10(Wed)08:23 No. 1396 ID: 40aee9

>>1395
God, I fucking hate you so fucking much.

Why can't Chinese police come and murder you already?


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Anonymous 19/04/11(Thu)15:05 No. 1397 ID: a45465
1397

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>>1396


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Anonymous 19/04/13(Sat)07:45 No. 1398 ID: daee24

>>1395
It's not really trolling though if the person is simply autistic and incapable of understanding any position but his own.

I read this week that they may have found the groundwork for a cure for autism that involved a fecal transplant. Seems autistics are not just full of shit, they're full of the wrong kind of shit.

Though the existing autistic adults are fucked for life, we may be able to prevent children from growing up to be autistic.

And just like that their brain damage may soon be expunged from the universe.


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Anonymous 19/04/13(Sat)12:19 No. 1399 ID: 39a6c8

>>1398
CRISPR-Cas9

My advice: He Jiankui that shit. Cure autism off-site, in an unregistered lab, with fake waivers and unlicensed human testing. The only way anything ever gets done.


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Anonymous 19/04/14(Sun)04:04 No. 1400 ID: 185e6f

>>1398
It's not really trolling if STFU.
All you little bitches do is chirp at each other all fucking day about who's more of a retarded fucking faggot.

>hurr you have autism
>durr you're a bot

Shut the fuck up.
You have no genuine political opinion.
Shut the fuck up.


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Anonymous 19/04/14(Sun)05:10 No. 1401 ID: 7f643f
1401

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>>1400


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Anonymous 19/04/21(Sun)02:23 No. 1403 ID: b0f049
1403

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>>1400



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