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Historian 15/07/02(Thu)00:11 No. 14662 [Reply]

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Berlin Wall Historical American Dumbass 15/06/27(Sat)09:33 No. 14659 [Reply]
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I have always thought about this but had never really worked how it would happen. On November 9th, 1989, the lives of every person in Germany was changed when the wall was claimed obsolete and had the first part of the wall fell only 5 days later.

But what if the Cold War never thawed? What if the Soviet economy had somehow regained it's balance and was able to continue the Cold War? What if the wall never fell?

I leave you, The people of 7chan, to think before you post, and think of the possibilities.


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Historian 15/06/30(Tue)21:53 No. 14661

Likely your latter scenario . The Soviet collapse destabilized so many other parts of the world, making them ripe for the picking for the US and other NATO countries. The Middle East was never more exploited then after the Fall of the USSR. And Africa was never more ignored. Until China got its feet under it.

I would say the cold war thawed a great deal but the Russians probably feel like some old school american's do that it was better with a big bad nemesis lurking around.

ISIS and all its stupid shit are scarey and all but they will never be as good a "bad guy" as the Soviets were. The Russians (well, Putin mostly), at least from an American standpoint, seem to want to make the US their "bad guy" and get back to the good old days of nuclear weapon stockpiling, arms races, and unchecked military spending. Lets get that war cold again, there is so much more profit to be made.

To bad China is in a way better place to be the world-wide Nemesis. China would not be what it is today (good and bad) if the Soviets had stuck around.




Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463 [Reply]
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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>>14526
>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.


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Historian 15/05/23(Sat)19:43 No. 14619

>>14468
The Pequots in CT actually have an advantage there. At least, they would if they weren't losing a shit ton of cash in poor business decisions.

They open their research facility. Populate it with the people Pfizer shitcans and the kids graduating from URI. Nobody has to move far. If at all. Then they start another housing project for senior staff. Research is funded by the casino and the mall. Funds and administration is handled by the people they already have on hand. The company dregs live in the surrounding towns and cities. In time they open an academy to rake in more money.

If they didn't spend and lose millions on the MGM Grand they'd probably have enough money to do this.




Historian 15/04/27(Mon)18:17 No. 14588 [Reply]
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hi, /hi/

If we could properly determine spheres of influence in our modern world (be it cultural, political, or economic), how would you put it in map form? How do you perceive modern spheres of influence?

Some of these spheres come in political organizations (like the Iron Curtain countries in the USSR's SoI), or somethimes spheres are more abstract, and are groups within larger organizations (western Slavic countries - and most countries within the EU - being in Germany's sphere - especially economically)

Picture partially related.


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Historian 15/05/07(Thu)13:03 No. 14606

>>14601
Ah okay I see, I'll try to photoshop this into a political map when I get back to my other computer, so we'll get some Victoria II type thing going on.. Thank you and well done.
I've heard Canada is being pretty silent when it comes to the power game, while it is one of the players in the middle east. Of course, being silent is a good idea so you don't come under much flak from the international community.


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Historian 15/05/13(Wed)01:04 No. 14609
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hello again. sorry it took so long, I'm suffering from a terrible URTI.


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Historian 15/05/15(Fri)23:48 No. 14612

>>14611
I made quite a lot of mistakes, though it seemed fine when I first finished it :/ ...
Just to make things right, I'll correct the map when I have more free time.




2001 political forum game Historian 15/04/25(Sat)04:56 No. 14587 [Reply]
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This may not qualify too much as "history" even though it takes place over ten years ago, but there's a forum game going on. You play as a country. It is a game in that it has underlying mechanics and a list of possible actions to undertake (either diplomatic, economic, covert or military in character). The RP is on the light side, you don't need to write walls of texts. It also requires little time commitment to play since it's turn-based.

Link: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx




Historian 14/03/25(Tue)05:57 No. 14218 [Reply]
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Hello everyone. I've been wondering, how did the German and Western Allied troops treat one another? More importantly, how did they treat the civilians during their respective occupations of Western Europe? Of course there were crimes committed in relatively small numbers, but on the whole. Where there any major events that showed camaraderie between the troops or civilians?


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Historian 14/05/11(Sun)18:31 No. 14294

>>14292
Manstein was correct; he just happened to be on the losing side, and the winners get to write the history books. Besides, everybody in the OKW had to pay lip-service to the loopy ethos of the Nazis...just like all those American generals and admirals had to smile and pretend to worship a president they absolutely loathed. Politics trumps reason and honesty every time.


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Historian 14/05/20(Tue)19:01 No. 14308

>>14294
>Manstein was correct; he just happened to be on the losing side, and the winners get to write the history books.

I guess that's why Stalin's purges ended up cutting down on the number of Jews in the Soviet government to the point of shit of firing most of the Jews in the foreign service so that Hitler won't have an excuse to not negotiate Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?


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Historian 14/06/09(Mon)15:45 No. 14320

>>14218
Western Allies were treated fairly well by the Nazi's and vice versa. Food was in short supply in Nazi camps towards the end of the war, but not through malice of the Nazi's. Both sides took a dim view of escapee's, with the Nazi's being more unpleasant to those they caught again.

An exception were British Commando's, who trolled Hitler to the point he ordered them not to be taken prisoner. Though this was ignored by a fair chunk of the Wehrmacht.

You were fucked if you were captured on the Eastern Front though.




The Marine Corps is for Faggots The Muslim Bomber 15/03/24(Tue)04:47 No. 14548 [Reply]
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The Marine Corps and it's supporters can go kill themselves in a bowl of their own shit. It fucking sucks that abortion wasn't done on these Faggots who joined the shitty ass Marine Blow Job Corps for Faggots


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Historian 15/03/24(Tue)06:40 No. 14549

/rnb/


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)06:20 No. 14554

Ah, a thread started by a fantasy creature! Let's see; it's not an elf, a dwarf, a fairy, a leprechaun, a satyr, or a dryad...the only thing we know about it is that it lives under bridges and gets its butt kicked by big, ill tempered billy-goats.

Semper Fi.




Hitler did nothing wrong? Historian 14/11/08(Sat)06:59 No. 14456 [Reply]
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My purpose in posting this is not to incite a drama filled thread - what I'm looking for are people who can confidently denounce the claim that the Holocaust did not happen.

It's political suicide to see Hitler and the Nazi party as anything but evil, so I'm hoping someone can help out.
Embedded is a youtube link to a 6:30 hour long documentary entitled 'Hitler: the Greatest Story Never Told'. It's banned in a substantial number of countries, so VPNs at the ready if you want to watch it.
It lists many atrocities committed by allies during WWII, the ethnic cleansing of the German people following it, and shows research into the 'death camps' that Soviets liberated, this and more suggests the Holocaust story was a fabrication by the allied powers to support the existence of the state of Israel and justify WWII itself. My problem is that is rings of truth. After a read through of anti-denialist material I'm not happy that this event occurred as claimed in our popular history.


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Historian 14/12/08(Mon)21:16 No. 14481

>>14471
It should be obvious to anyone but the most delusional quack that the holocaust happened on some level. Even the Naz themselves kept records of the entire development, from their increasingly desperate birth-defect measures to mental patients to euthanasia to incinerators to war to work camps to POW's, etc. All well justified at the time and thoroughly internally documented.

However, none of the numbers of dead add up properly, and once you see the history behind these numbers, it creates a very real sliver of doubt. As well, England took Germanys own propaganda efforts and ran with them for their own purposes, as well as turning the apathetic public opinion in the US to their advantage. This is also well documented and unfortunately casts a reasonable pall of suspicion over all the media on both sides of that time. Then, there seems to be far, faaar greater reverence paid to the relatively fewer Jews that died than all the tens of millions of others that were killed in that conflict, which creates an aire of resentment toward them, notably the Slavs and Russians. Absent are the stories of the many, many millions of Germans who were not on board whatsoever with the crazymaking and at the greatest risk of all, actually resisted from inside and lost, including most of my family and most of their friends and neighbors. Not a fucking peep about them. Just Jews Jews Jews, all day every day. Not Poland being stomped into the ground with a fresh German Military, or France suffering the same, after having just previously inviting loads of german farmers to settle on their borders, who simply let the german army waltz right in and mow everyone down, not the firebombing of london or berlin, or the insanity of nuking two enormous densely populated cities... no, that's all cool.

What do you need to know about WWII kids? Hitler persecuted the Jews, and now, everyone owes them everything, forever. Class dismissed!

See how that might lead to suspicion and resentment?

How far people choose to run with their disgust is entirely subjective, but the whole thing is seriously a mess. Most historians with any ethics shift uncomfortably and avoid citing any numbers in that war because to willfully choose a number when you know you don't have real numbers and never will, and there's no way to know the real numbers even if they were staring you in the face, is to knowingly misrepresent the actual lives ruined and the entire nature of the conflict itself.

The "holo" in the word "Holocaust" implies a die-off of humans, and should not be reserved for a single event, and certainly not a single subset of people in a single event. If there were a die-off in human history worthy of the term "holocaust", it should be Genghis Kahns reign, still the greatest slaughte Message too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Historian 14/12/11(Thu)04:57 No. 14483

>>14481
go home sargon you're drunk


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Historian 14/12/16(Tue)11:42 No. 14485

I urge you to take a look at the list of sources that documentary provides. It's a bit disturbing when a documentary purporting to have the truth, despite having access to a dearth of German primary documents capture after the war, barely references any of them, choosing rather to reference mostly websites and hardly a book.

I recommend you read Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich for a well researched account of the war.




Historian 12/01/25(Wed)04:59 No. 11345 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
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The good guys lost the Napoleonic wars.


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Historian 15/03/02(Mon)23:18 No. 14530

>>11362
The was nothing good about the Republic; do you just gloss over the rape and murder of Louis XVII!, the kangro courts, and the revolt of Vendee?


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Historian 15/03/02(Mon)23:19 No. 14531

>>12235
Most of the people who supported the revoltuin were upper class and court aristocratics, the common people revolted against the republic several times.


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Historian 15/03/03(Tue)02:43 No. 14532

USicans who think all France ever did was raise white flags

Hey, I got a good French rifle...never been fired, and only dropped once!




Cole's 46 questions Historian 15/01/21(Wed)20:25 No. 14505 [Reply]
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http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gc46-ORIGI.html

Has anyone ever completely addressed Cole's tinfoil hat questions?

If 46 seems too much at first, I would like to have an answer to this first:
>(4) Once one has fashioned an explanation for the minute traces and no blue staining in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 at Auschwitz, how does one THEN explain the HIGH levels of Zyklon B traces and DEEP, FLOOR-TO-CEILING blue staining in three of the four Majdanek gas chambers? Far fewer people are said to have been killed at Majdanek than at Auschwitz. The four Majdanek gas chambers would never have had to handle the workload of Kremas 1,2 and 3. Yet whereas Kremas 1,2 and 3 have only minute traces and no blue staining, three of the four Majdanek gas chambers have heavy traces and deep blue staining. How could gassing a GREATER amount of people (at Auschwitz) leave minute traces and no blue staining, yet gassing a much SMALLER amount (at Majdanek) leave heavy traces and deep blue staining?


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Historian 15/01/24(Sat)00:55 No. 14511

>>14509
Didn't answer the question.

That website only tries to explain why there is not much staining in Auschwitz chambers, and doesn't respond to the contradiction that Majdanek chamber has extremely heavy staining, despite less people allegedly gassed.

If it is even true that prussian blue withers away, if exposed to air and rain, then we should look at Auschwitz I. It is not exposed to those elements.


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Historian 15/01/24(Sat)01:02 No. 14512

>>14511
Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
>(2) If one suggests that the Zyklon traces in the homicidal gas chambers have been "weathered away", how can one explain the traces and staining on the OUTSIDE of the delousing complexes...traces which have NOT been weathered away after fifty years?


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Historian 15/01/28(Wed)07:26 No. 14513

>>14512
>Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
Then it's not really a question, is it?




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