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Historian 14/02/07(Fri)01:14 No. 14140 [Reply]
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is there any decent pseudo-historyfic of what would have happened if the Confederacy won the civil war to the point of WW1?


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Historian 14/06/08(Sun)07:15 No. 14319

>>14318
>indigenous
>WHITES
Pick 1. You can't have 2.


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Historian 14/06/10(Tue)02:14 No. 14321

>>14231
>Not that the agricultural south would have ever won against the industrialized north,

What are you talking about? The civil war was very close up until the end, when Lincoln decided to throw in the emancipation proclamation to make the war about slavery (when it was originally about states' rights). If he hadn't won Antietam and made the proclamation, European powers could have very easily gotten involved on the side of the South (because that was where the product was coming from). On paper, the North had many advantages, but IRL it was different.

Think of it in terms of the American revolution. Britain is to the North as the American colonies are to the South. On paper, America had a completely inferior army to Britain, worse tech, unstable manufacturing, and the fight was on home soil. The difference between Britain and America was larger than that of the North and the South. The reason America won the revolution was because they cared more than the British, who were ambivalent. This was similar to the civil war because Lincoln knew that the United States could not split, because it was forbidden in the constitution and because "united we stand, divided we fall". No one but him really cared about this though. So he pulled the smartest move in history and made the civil war about slavery, which finally convinced the North to start caring. Without that and the brutal war tactics of Sherman (and the Anaconda plan) the South was very dangerous competition.


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Historian 14/06/10(Tue)08:47 No. 14322

>>14321
>about states rights
The right of states to declare that their citizens can own slaves?

Yes, that's so much different than saying the civil war was about slavery.




Historian 13/09/03(Tue)21:19 No. 13908 [Reply]
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ITT biggest war criminals
inb4 hitler, himmler and other's well known guys


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Historian 14/04/20(Sun)06:30 No. 14272

>>14271

Being a head of state like Churchill or Roosevelt is analogous to being a ship's captain. The actions of your subordinates are ultimately YOUR responsibility. Harris and LeMay envisioned and executed campaigns that were just as ruthless and evil as anything the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese military committed...but the generals couldn't have done so without the approval of Franklin and Winston. Ultimately, it is THEY who have earned the condemnation of history.


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Historian 14/05/10(Sat)22:34 No. 14290

>>13928
there was a knight in the Holy Roman Empire who was beheaded for massacres of a town ("Actions which he as a knight should have prevented")...he was killed by his own side. Im guessing there was such morality throughout history.

Also, depending on the era the chinese engaged in honorable combat and didnt necessarily try to wipe each other out (this was before Qin Shi Guang Di)


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Historian 14/05/10(Sat)22:37 No. 14291

>>13970
>>Actually what the allies did was return what had been meted out to them previously, but escalated to a scale that axis powers couldn't match.

The allies 'accidentally' bombed German cities and the Germans retailated. In Poland the Germans offered a surrender before attacking.




Historian 12/06/29(Fri)20:35 No. 12695 [Reply]
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What does /hi/ think of Huntingdon's Clash of Civilizations theory?

Does it actually hold any water to you?


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Historian 14/04/11(Fri)16:35 No. 14259

>>12695
based north mexico (Hermosillo to be exact) is in the north american area, which is fitting because you can't seriously compare the north of mexico with the rest of mexico culturally. yay


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Historian 14/04/20(Sun)04:11 No. 14268

>>12699
this


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Historian 14/05/10(Sat)22:28 No. 14288

>>12695
Argentina and Chila are pretty muh white countries wo they would be the 'Western World'.

Also Haiti/Jamaica is part of 'aFrican civilization'

>>13764
>>13742
this isnt the map huntington uses actually.

>>13131
hmm?




Historian 14/04/29(Tue)06:54 No. 14276 [Reply]
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Sorry, didn't know where else to put this other than under "culture".

Some of you may be familiar with websites which host entire series and movies; Rainertamayo.com in particular brazenly hosts full videos right there, no redirects or searching through links- one click and a full episode in a youtube player.

I am curious, by what virtue does this site survive? It makes no pretense to redirect or aggregate in the style of tvduck, etc. With the times as they are, how can a website simply host this material itself unmolested? Is it some way the site is configured to defend itself, like the pirate bay's dancing from server to server? Is it a current lack of initiative on the part of powers that be? On that note, what is the current state of this struggle to control media? After SOPA and PIPA were defeated to much fanfare, it seems like the war has been.. under-reported.

What type of person is compelled to maintain a professional site such as this or the pirate bay? Do they really believe in freedom of information or do you think it's a more base, anti-authoritarian compulsion? Surely one begets the other.. pic unrelated
/ramble


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Historian 14/05/02(Fri)08:37 No. 14278

Anyone can put up a website. Anyone can register a domain.

The reason these sites survive is because the various media cooperatives (MPAA, RIAA, IFPI, etc.) are not aware of their existence.


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Historian 14/05/02(Fri)08:57 No. 14279

>>14278
Ok let's keep it on the down low, shhh!!

Lately all Gorillavid's stuff is being taken down, it bums me out cus they used to be very reliable.


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Historian 14/05/08(Thu)02:44 No. 14282

Basically the MAFIAA have paid technology companies that are down on their luck and desperate for work to write and maintain web crawlers that do the same thing Google has done for years... walk from page to page indexing pages and content and links all across the internet and back again.

If it's placed on a publicly accessible website, or a private site which they've infiltrated (because people talked about that private site on public websites), then their custom web crawler locates and identifies content and reports it back to their masters.

The only way for sites to stay under the radar is not to talk about shit in public. Otherwise it's just a matter of time.




Historian 14/02/02(Sun)22:12 No. 14123 [Reply]
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What would happen if theoretically, all the states of the united states became city-states?

Temporarily removing all prescence of the United States from the world-wide stage, until the individual states who still wish to continue that effort must fund it. This would give states who wish to focus on growing the economy and not contributing to causes they have no control over, maybe?


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Historian 14/03/30(Sun)06:51 No. 14235

>>14232
that explains so much


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Historian 14/04/14(Mon)09:00 No. 14262

>>14123
The United States is annexed by a world power.


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Historian 14/04/17(Thu)21:57 No. 14264

>>14262
Indeed, the US wpi;d become South Canada in a matter of months.

They'd have to kill off much of the people living there, but oddly enough nobody would care what happens to those self-centered antisocial assholes.




Architecture general Historian 14/04/02(Wed)03:01 No. 14239 [Reply]
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Discussion about historic buildings.
More to what I want to know, the GPO Dublin, essentially where the English buck was stopped by Mikey C and the boys, has three statues atop it: Hibernia, Mercury and Fidelity.
Problem is I cannot find any trace of "Fidelity" as a deity or otherwise in mythology or historic beliefs. The statue in question appears female, has a dog at its feet and a key in hand, It's my oppinion the statue is actually Hecaté (Goddess of Poison, witchcraft, household blessings, actually quite suitable for Ireland), what think?


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Historian 14/04/02(Wed)12:43 No. 14240

Fidelity is probably a representation of Penelope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope

Penelope and dogs are idealized faithful companions.




Historian 13/12/01(Sun)00:05 No. 14047 [Reply]
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They say the winners write history


who is writing our current history?


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Historian 14/03/08(Sat)06:42 No. 14201
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The Jews


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Historian 14/03/11(Tue)13:54 No. 14208

>>14201
The muslims. Wait, no, I mean the moral majority. Actually, it is the degenerate homos. No, the BLACKS! In truth, it is women.

OP, I'll assume you refer to contemporary history. Then it seems obvious that it is in large written by the US and western Europe. I'm sure many Asian and African countries have their own cute histories, but at least up until very recently they did not how the academic nor political clout to get their stories counted. For instance, remember how Japan at one point had the world's 2nd largest economy and was predicted to overtake the US as number one eventually? Still, no one gave a shit about their historians. Because there was around 500 million US soldiers posted all over their little islands that made any claims they forwarded impotent.


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Historian 14/03/25(Tue)19:53 No. 14220

>>14201
This




Historian 14/03/09(Sun)21:12 No. 14202 [Reply]
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We need a giant battlefield movie, set in any period with gunfire... preferably the Seven Year's War, this would be the best way to vicariously live in the most interesting parts of all of history

With all the funds... GoPro's in the actors playing the cavalry, artillery, officers, rankers, battlefield observers.. jumping to the king's point of view ( in some cases the General himself ) showing BOTH sides of the conflict. or third parties like nearby villagers or deserters

The scale will need to be huge, 40,000 ideally...

With so many perspectives (goProCams) you'd get a like a movie in the third dimension, you wouldn't necessarily sit down and watch it, though it could be edited that way for multiple movies within the battle, or you'd click on different cameras while the movie is playing throughout time and choose what you are watching and from who's point of view

6 hours worth of a continuous acting on a battlefield with high tech special effects and scripting would produce the most content ever

If Europeans are considerate to their ancestors they could work together to make it happen, i mean by god! they've been doing it for 300 years, this is a minor project to them!


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Anon 14/03/14(Fri)00:01 No. 14209
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I totally agree. I thought I was the only one. The last good battlefield movie set around that time period was Waterloo. That movie was a job well done. It will just take so much time to do something like this. All the choreography and money...

Seven Years war would be eh. The battles get huge during the Napoleonic era. So something like battle of Austerlitz, battle of Jena or battle of borodino would be sick and would suffice for an epic battle.

But 40,0000 is more realistic I guess.


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Historian 14/03/15(Sat)21:19 No. 14213

What about naval battles?
Trafalgar
Tsushima
Jutland
Coral Sea




The Supreme Evil Historian 14/02/26(Wed)19:05 No. 14178 [Reply]
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In modern culture Hitler is used as the epitome of evil, many will even consider the mere fact that he liked something as a basis of slander (i.e. Hitler was/liked X, therefore; X = Evil). His legacy will far outlast Bin Laden/Hussein and many others.

But who came before him, who held the gold standard prior to him taking it? And who was before that? Who's names have manifested evil on a scale unprecedented before them?


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Historian 14/03/04(Tue)03:13 No. 14192

Napoleon, probably.

I don´t know when exactly his reputation turned from "Monster" to "One of the greatest conquerors ever", but people didn´t exactly like him in the new age period.


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Historian 14/03/06(Thu)21:03 No. 14196

Hitler wasn't special. All of Europe was a fascist hotpot at the time. Everyone thought Hitler was great until he started stealing countries the other powers wanted influence over. "Peace for our time" wasn't some great scam the evil fascist Hitler pulled on poor, bleeding heart liberal Chamberlain. The only reason we are being forced to remember Hitler as evil today is because he was such a clever asshole and tricked the to-be Allies so hilariously, they still live with the blood shame.

>>14179
> These two murdered more people than all the other great mass-killers of history combined, including Hitler himself.

When you say mass-killer(murderer), I assume you mean people dying as a more or less direct consequence of their policy decisions, and not personally and physically killing people? Because then you might wanna look at WW2 death toll statistics and reconsider.


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Historian 14/03/30(Sun)07:01 No. 14236

>>14192
What did Americans think of Napoleon? they benefited from him by the Louisiana Purchase, anyone in France would either be bitter about him anyways




Historian 14/02/15(Sat)07:06 No. 14163 [Reply]
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How significant are the Olympics to international relations, worldwide? Do they actually help countries get back on better terms, like it gives them something to talk about, or they're forced to be together in some capacity

Or on the other hand does it calm the populace down for awhile, especially the Chinese

What are any other global effects of the Olympics?


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Historian 14/02/20(Thu)07:14 No. 14167

>>14165
So Germany's exports of misery and death rose?


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Historian 14/02/21(Fri)10:32 No. 14168

pop goes the "kiev-nobyl"
russia's exports have also increased ;)
much russkij, such sniper, very death

it was interesting finding out for sure that metal shields do not deflect bullets very well at all


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Historian 14/02/22(Sat)10:54 No. 14169

>>14168
Indeed, they've even imported Russians (in matching outfits) to run around Odessa and beat up anyone who objects to the government shooting its own citizens.




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