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Historian 12/05/02(Wed)23:27 No. 12291

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I know we're all supposed to think the world revolves around arabs vs jews vs europeans, and keep them all first and foremost in our thoughts, but honestly, I've been finding myself giving a lot less of a fuck about the history of the same shitty old ignorant sheep herder tribes and their dismal world-views, and quite a bit more about all the hundreds of other, more nuanced and dynamic cultures elsewhere, that had more fucking sense than to make the mistakes the former did.

Take the US, for instance. Nature just published a bit announcing the long-held Clovis migration theory has now officially been dismissed, and scientists are now using all the usual methods for tracking migrations to figure out just how long people have been populating our western continents, with evidence pointing to much earlier explorer groups moving down the coastline via boat, & even earlier large-mammal hunter cultures moving across the arctic down through canada all the way to South America, building the huge populations and cultures across the hemisphere.

...before the diseased europeans showed up and laid waste to everything, only to turn it into... a replica of exactly the dysfunctional mess they left behind.

Historian 12/05/06(Sun)02:08 No. 12323

I am a very left-leaning man, but when I read this I puke and must admit: European culture and its offshoots are simply superior, and the sole reason for human advancement to the Space Age. Confucian cultures get an honorary mention, though. Others are inferior, and the people trapped in them were better of under colonialism.

Historian 12/05/06(Sun)19:21 No. 12329

Ahhh, lefties. Equally and oppositely retarded as righties.

Historian 12/05/08(Tue)05:15 No. 12347

personally I way prefer what we call modern civilization, which has many aspects that were *mostly* developed in the west, but is not so specific so that it has many other aspects that can exist as well

you have your chinese flavoured modernism, european flavoured modernism, beginning to get an eastern european/western asian modernism, and even african, and south american modernism

and let's not forget that north american and european modernism are different a reasonable amount too

note that just because the west pioneered modernism more or less it doesn't mean there haven't been vital contributions from other cultures

in fact, much of modernism that we take for granted has had a major amount of input and feedback from the other cultures to begin with, and the reason we were able to develop it at all is because we listened, even if we made our own decisions

Historian 12/08/14(Tue)20:12 No. 12952

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>>12347
I hope you meant to say that you "strongly prefer" or "prefer above all else" modern civilization.

I don't know what textbooks OP has been reading, but my view of human history includes far more details than OP's statement includes. This subject is far more complex and far-reaching than newspaper opinions can be expected to summarise.

Here's an image to add to the discussion:
"Mitochondrial DNA-based chart of large human migrations (Numbers are millennia before present.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_migrations

It comes from a wiki page which hardly covers the subject any more than this thread, but it is a useful perspective.

The best measure of a new stage for human mind is the degree to which superstitious behaviour has been thrown off. I see superstitious crap everyday. Let's explain that dilemma, and then we can begin to make progress.

Historian 12/08/15(Wed)07:01 No. 12953

that map is fucked up in the head

after I checked the discussion, I realized there was an argument about the idea of human migration to australia before europe

I might as well point out that almost noone even wanted to go north until caesar got bored, apparently, and the immigration route seems to follow the same one that alexander the great followed

which is an interesting correlation between the idea and historical fact, not that it means anything serious necessarily

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