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Hello, I'm looking into some of the war crimes committed by American soldiers in WWII, specifically the Pacific Front. You know, skull skewing, rape, mass murder, all that stuff.
How did the military handle all of these actions? They couldn't have possibly covered up all of this, right?
A-bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Firebombing of Tokyo. (Cue massive amounts of faggots claiming slaying civilians was necessary to win "heart and minds" and "the Axis powers started it!").
Secretly giving amnesty to Unit 731 scientists to further their own research goals.
As for the GI Joes of the time, I have a feeling no one gave a shit about that stuff, at least not until 'Nam.
Totally fine when we do it. Vaporize hundreds of thousands of random civilians? Hey man, war is hell. We're all victims here.
Kill 3000 rich american civilians who run the international markets? Flip your shit, start at least two wars and bankrupt your whole nation in a decade-long pants pissing fit.
We're great at dishing it out. Taking it is another matter.
There were more rapes after the war, during the occupation of japan, than during it.
There are scenes of this in some old japanese movies, jingi-naki-tatakae in particular opens with one. The japanese were expecting to be cannibalized when the war ended, but found themselves enslaved instead. From their point of view, they hadn't just lost a war, but been conquered and were now required to make any and all appeasements to their overlords lest they all be slaughtered. It took two generations of giving them chocolate bars and movie tickets to get it into their heads that we were there to help.... but we did rape a lot of women, and we still do now and then. It's just so easy in japan.
>we did rape a lot of women
still makes me laugh when nationalists refer to the actions of their governments as personal
Depends if you count the rape of Nanking and other atrocities committed by Japanese forces as part of their occupation. They did a whole lot of raping and killing during their time in other countries.
At least the US didn't pick a town to systematically rape, pillage, loot, then murder all survivors we could find to cover it up.
Not actions of my government, but the actions of my people.
I'm not a nationalist, but an american--a point >>13177 may also have missed.
>I'm not a nationalist, but an american
And apparently completely unaware of the meaning of the term oxymoron.
I did mean what I said; Although I am a citizen of the united states, I don't much like the cesspit of a nation it is.
Yeah, its gone steadily downhill ever since Nixon's first election.
Now we're at the point where tax cuts for the wealthy are viewed by a sizable percentage of the electorate as more important than the elderly being able to live a meager existence for the few years they have left on this planet and educating our youth so our nation can become a better place.
How far we have fallen.
yep, look at what we have become:
You'd be surprised at the amount of shit a popular empire can cover up.
Um. "We" did that and much worse things in any number of places around the world. and by "we", I mean not myself personally, but my fellow servicemen, for decades. The only reason Americans aren't tried for the (what would easily be consdered in any other country) war crimes is because we're the only country that simply refuses to, on the grounds that no one can make us appear at the haigue, since we have all the guns, and so fuck off. Seriously, that's our countrys version of international justice. We have our own court, and whaddya know, we decided we're not war criminals after all. Fuck you, world.
I'm glad you found a new word, but maybe you shouldn't post it to every thread.
Wake me when you find evidence of the US repeatedly performing vivisections of pregnant women (Unit 731).
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Why bother when you can just carpet bomb them instead?
Because if there's one thing the Axis was well known for, it was never bombing civilian targets...
Two wrongs don't make one right. The fact of the matter is that the US has condoned atrocious crimes by its troops in every modern war it has fought, while most other democratic nations have made at least some efforts at establishing a system of internationally sanctioned accountability (notwithstanding their own many crimes, like those of France in Algeria and Indochina).
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.
Major-General Raymond Hufft (U.S. Army) gave instructions to his troops not to take prisoners when they crossed the Rhine in 1945. "After the war, when he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, he admitted, 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'" Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."
Near the French village of Audouville-la-Hubert 30 German Wehrmacht prisoners were massacred by U.S. paratroopers.
Historian Peter Lieb has found that many US and Canadian units were ordered to not take prisoners during the D-Day landings in Normandy. If this view is correct it may explain the fate of 64 German prisoners (out of 130 captured) who did not make it to the POW collecting point on Omaha Beach on D-Day.
All taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#World_War_II
Just in case the Western front was feeling left out. Even big budget American propaganda flicks like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers acknowledges these crimes. America in no way fought a clean war.. not by a long shot.
>Two wrongs don't make one right.
Little child, war is hell. Those who choose to support one side versus another side will get hurt by the other side. This is why you avoid war.
The Geneva accords were laughed at by Germans, who tortured and starved POWs due to a belief they were genetically inferior. It's only fitting that the favor was returned in spades.
Not sure if troll. If you're not, Jesus Christ, you're fucking retarded. In your mind, a foreign aggressor attacks American civilians on American soil and you expect the US to not retaliate?
Also, the entire 11 years we've been at war since 2001 cost less than the 2008 bailouts. The yearly cost of the War on Terror is barely a blip compared to the GDP of our nation and has successfully prevented the US from being attacked since.
The wars have been neither instrumental, nor necessary to stop terrorist attacks. That was achieved by simultaneous police and intelligence actions. The wars came because of a cynical exploitation of a tragedy, and are taking credit falsely.
and this is exactly the kind of attitude that causes things like world wars and genocides.
I'm just thankful you'll never hold a position of any power in your life.
>I'm just thankful you'll never hold a position of any power in your life.
Don't be so sure about that, have you seen the guys in power?
Well, since I wasn't there, I can only go off the anecdotal evidence I got firsthand. My uncles squad spent their last six weeks in Vietnam "partying" going from village to village "improvising interrogation techniques", and raping kids and killing their families at will. He admits personally to very little.
My best friends Grandpa recounted similar stories of drug-fueled light massacres growing up as well.
My own Grandfather had similar stories from the Korean war.
A quick googly search reveals there's no shortage of these accounts.
Not to mention Henry bloody Kissinger, aka Dr. Killinger, aka, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Henry+Kissinger+War+Crimes
It's too bad all our enemies aren't as overt and cartoonish as the Nazis. Nazi's baaad, arrrg! Let's go get em boys! Enter the Bush wars, the endless, continual battle against a phantom "enemy" that can't call the war off, and with no victory conditions to satisfy. The US has now stepped into a permanent land war in a desert on the other side of the globe, and will have to continually reshape itself to embody the "war machine" culturally and economically to survive it, indefinitely. ...or kill every last muslim that could be angered by killing muslims, and outlaw their religion. Nice job, USA.
You make it sound romantic
True to that but you are implying humanity is incapable of holding toward such idealistic views
>The Geneva accords were laughed at by Germans, who tortured and starved POWs due to a belief they were genetically inferior.
Germans? All? Some? Were they actually German? Did it make a difference?
HUMANS did this to HUMANS. Specific people. They were tried in a court and sentenced accordingly. Just because they broke Geneva convention doesn't mean all of Germany is now exempt from it, it's the complete opposite. Instead all who are war criminals deserve punishment, including those who may have enacted them upon war criminals and their subordinates (guilty or not)
>It's only fitting that the favor was returned in spades.
Are you sure you understand history?
Are you sure you know why people SHOULD understand history?
This answer, and the comment it referred to, are a perfect example of the fundamental dichotomy between humans: advanced and rational vs. primitive and emotional. One group espouses backward ideas like talio and collective punishment, the other rule of law and individualism. Wouldn't be surprised if this correlates with a liberal - authoritarian fissure.
So the economic machine that keeps the war machine running is not a fair target because they didn't actually bother to stuff Jews into ovens. Sure, they just kept their country running and working, and they had to completely ignore the stench that constantly wafted through their towns and villages from the concentration camps, but somehow that doesn't make them complicit in the deaths.
No, it doesn't. Do shit gradually enough, and keep suspicions low. By the time the stench got bad and bits of human hair and shit was raining down in the streets, it was too goddamn late to do anything about anything. Gee ameritards, why can't you just rise up and overthrow your inept useless corrupt congress & militant fascist leadership? You fucking complicit guilty fuckers you. Powerless in the face of true power.
Yeah, running ovens nonstop for years on end was certainly slow and gradual.
You know, after the Vichy government was put in place, there were still groups working against the government. Funny how little of that occurred during Germany. Almost like the public believed all the racist nonsense the regime pumped out. But that certainly couldn't have been the case, they were innocent babes being led to slaughter.
>inept useless corrupt congress
We prefer to vote them out of office. After the 2014 elections there won't be enough Republicans left in office to waste millions of dollars trying to repeal legislation that they know will never actually get repealed.
>militant fascist leadership
Isn't that cute, you say that like you actually know what those words mean.
>Yeah, running ovens nonstop for years on end was certainly slow and gradual.
I don't know what the hell time period you're talking about, but I'm talking about the beginning, with docs gradually stepping up from exterminating their retarded inbreds onesy twosey to full on literally rubber-stamping them en-masse, to adding jews and eastern europeans later. Took a while for that to develop, they didn't just overnight say, fuck it, lets start burning a shitload of human flesh and hope no one will notice. They were sociopaths, they weren't goddamn thoroughly stupid about it. ...at first anyway. There were resistance cells. Most were either killed or escaped. My family in Kiel was busy harboring Jews, til one unhappy day. Half were killed on site, half fled, came here, and worked for the army. The family house was demolished on the last day of the war. Thanks Nazis. Now instead of growing up a nice German boy I live in this overpopulated bankrupt shithole culture.
But just you consider who you're pointing fingers at. A lot of people from all walks of life died unjustly in that megashitstorm.
What he said. The first small scale euthanisation took place in the early 30s. For the jooz et al., it was a gradual process of stripping political, property and other rights step by step over many years. Then concentrating the populations in ghetto's and work camps, then thinking of a relocation solution to the east - which is what they told the public, and then, in 1941 or 42, deciding to go full out genocide. That's almost ten years of nazi domination before they even got to the gas chambers.
And during that time, there was resistance at first. But years of repression and years of propaganda and isolating the target populations wore that down. And people did wonder, where did the jews go, and they remembered: they got their jobs taken, then they got moved to ghetto's then they supposedly went to colonies in the East, but we kinda lost sight of them after the ghetto anyway. And why not, it's what everyone tells us, and there isn't an independent press - people who tried to create underground publications were murdered.
who funded Margaret Sanger?
Who first developed Eugenics before the Naz picked it up?
Dunno, I always just figured it was some guy named Eugene.
No, he was named Euge, and it's pronounced Euge-nics.
>and it's pronounced Euge-nics.
sounds like a male 'enhancement' product
Francis Galton, Charles Darwin's cousin
seriously, who funded Margaret Sanger?
and who is funding her 'legacy' today?
Seldom-bragged-about Tidbit: The eugenics movement was pushed forward by the US first, & exported to Germany from New York before falling out of favor. Propped up at first by many doctors and scientists, including the brilliantine Bush family, who never had the good sense to realize a bad decision til it erupted into war.
It's perfectly normal to support one part of a dead persons legacy and not the other. Otherwise, every teabagger masturbating to Jefferson would be a supporter of slavery, which most of the aren't.
do you really like abortions that much?
or does the left not want to proudly acknowledge their support of racially motivated eugenics?
the waxiest form of flatulence
You twat, it wasn't a "left" or "right" movement, any more than cancer treatment is a "left" or "right movement today.
...until it fell out of favor after we learned that though each and every person is in fact not born equal genetically speaking, we should still treat them as though they are socially, or our society falls apart. ...well, some of us learned that.
I bet if you told him the Republican party used to the lefties his head would explode.
the refreshing taste of denial
are you enjoying your kool-aid ?
so, they outgrew their stupidity
perhaps there is hope for the left
Until you admit that climate change is an actual event that's happening, there's only one group living in denial.
Nope, they decided to adopt all the stupids who left the Democratic party once Democrats decided to support civil rights, which - since the time of Lincoln - had been a Republican tenant.
It took Nixon's corrupting influence to destroy the Republican party from within. You, dumb-dumb, are are only here because of our first bipolar president.
>It took Nixon's corrupting influence to destroy the Republican party from within. You, dumb-dumb, are are only here because of our first bipolar president.
Don't short-change Nixon, he was our last liberal president. Founded the EPA, ended the war in Vietnam, peace with China, tried to implement universal health care, price controls, and accepted Keynesian orthodoxy.
>Until you admit that climate change is an actual event that's happening, there's only one group living in denial.
never felt it even slightly necessary to join that crappy climate cult
it was too much like getting into a windowless van because some guy in a suit offered you a piece of candy and a wanted to show you an uplifting nature film
didn't they warn you about stuff like that in grade school?
So you joined the "I can do whatever I want because my grandpappy could do whatever he wanted" cult instead.
Hope you don't live near a coast. Or in a flood basin. Or...
just won't buy into the ridiculous malthusian malarkey your snake oil salesmen are peddling
So science is a cult now. Gotcha.
I suppose you think the bible contains all the answers?
So the global climate change cult is science now. Gotcha.
I suppose you think the algore contains all the answers?
You keep using that word like you know what it means.
You know as much about that word as you do about the scientific method.
aw, now you're just embarrassing yourself
anyone can recognize a cult
And the all-powerful invisible sky man you worship isn't a cult...
you are ridiculous
on so many levels
And the man who believes politicians and demagogues over science is what now?
The sad thing is you're too ignorant to realize just how far down the rabbit hole you've fallen.
Cult: A power hierarchy where one human being is elevated to superhuman, often supernatural status, and worshipped by subjects.
If you are a Christian, you are a follower in the cult of Jesus. ...and if you keep reading, the cult of the Christs, the cult of Abraham, the cult of mythra, the cult of akhenaten, the cults of many many many real world people elevated to god status by legend, plus the cult of isis, the cult of set, the cult of lucifer, the cult of pan, and many many more abstract anthropomorphizations of things natural and imagined.
The root word of Culture is cult.
who needs good science when you have willing pawns to spread the bad science
>And the man who believes politicians and demagogues over science is what now?
a man-made climate change believer
Why is it that "good science" only comes from a handful of places, that receive funding from conservative political groups, while "bad science" comes from everyplace else in the known universe?
Must be some vast conspiracy. Why just the other day I heard one of those bad scientists tell someone on TV that the earth revolved around the sun. That's darksider talk.
glad you're enjoying your xmas denial nog
It is spelled Christmas, why do you deny the celebration of the Lord?
if you want 'good science' - don't get your agenda before your data
climate change 'science' reminds me of the old days
bernays would be proud of you
"smells like culture"
Because he's a conservative in name only. In reality he's just a little man who's afraid of everything. Change scares him. Black men scare him. Foreigners scare him. Objective reasoning scares him. It's why he spoons an assault rifle every night.
Peter Christoff, writing in The Age (2007), said that climate change denial differs from skepticism, which is essential for good science. He went on to say that "almost two decades after the issue became one of global concern, the 'big' debate over climate change is over. There are now no credible scientific skeptics challenging the underlying scientific theory, or the broad projections, of climate change." The relationships between industry-funded denial and public climate change skepticism have at times been compared to earlier efforts by the tobacco industry to undermine what is now widely accepted scientific evidence relating to the dangers of secondhand smoke, or even linked as a direct continuation of these earlier financial relationships.
and because you can use bold text, it 'must' be true
yummy, tastes menthol fresh
And because you completely fail to grasp the science involved, it must be some vast conspiracy? This isn't a conspiracy son, this is science. The data is available for you to perform your own analysis on. That's how science works. Empirical analysis of data. If you don't believe it, get off your lazy ass and do the analysis yourself.
And, I know this part is going to be hard to believe for someone who relies on Fox News, Drudge, etc. for facts, but there is a right way to analyze data and a wrong way to analyze data. That's why scientists publish their work to be reviewed by peers. Any and all flaws in their analysis will be exposed by their peers, who are every bit an expert in their field as the publishers.
This is why it's so laughable that you choose to believe a tiny handful of industry shills and crackpots. Only a couple have actually published work in this field, and they've had the flaws in their analysis absolutely decimated by peers. The rest don't even bother to publish, and instead just cash those fat checks from corporate donors to show up on right wing media and spread misinformation.
Maybe I should put this in your native tongue? Just because them scientists have book learnin' don't mean they's dumb.
you traded your family cow for a handful of magic beans
Observation backed up by data vs. book written by magical invisible sky man.
You chose sky man.
BTW, remember the reason you lost in 2012 was because you weren't far enough to the right. Be sure to push more ideological candidates in 2014 & 2016!
>Observation backed up by data
using cherry picked data written into press releases to further a bullshit political/economic agenda of wealth redistribution and depopulation that openly supports the long-term goals of the evil 'elites' that you puppet lefties claim to hate so much
your 'science' is about as honest and reliable as a three dollar bill
exactly what you expect from a left-leaning prole
pity that the Earth's climate hasn't been warming for the last 15 years... but then you wacky climate cult guys don't really NEED facts to support 'your' irrational belief systems
>cherry picked data
You dumbass, you still believe the hatchetjob that moron tried to pull on that one climate scientist? Fuck, that idiot's cherry picking of words out of an old conversation was exposed how many years ago? And you're still holding onto it like it means something? Sad. Just... sad.
>hasn't been warming for the last 15 years
Pic related. They've been warming for a lot longer than 15 years.
BTW, the holocaust happened.
>BTW, the holocaust happened.
We already know how very proud you are of your favorite team's performance. Yes, those nazis were doubleplusgood at genocide. However, bringing them up all the time sounds like bragging.
That's right, the democratic party is just chock full of racists. Why, after the civil rights movement, all those racists stayed in the democratic party, and certainly didn't switch sides to republican.
Your current party's mandate is to keep white men in power to the detriment of everyone else. Which is different from Nazis how, exactly?
>That's right, the democratic party is just chock full of racists.
Yeah, that's why there's not a single Republican-led committee in Congress chaired by a minority. Because Democrats are racist.
The dumbasses even went out of their way to appoint a woman to chair a committee she wasn't even on. Something that hasn't happened in over 100 years. Why? Because only rich old white men were committee chairs and only rich old white men were on the last unassigned committee.
Your entire party's mantra has been to keep rich white men in power. Fuck women, fuck minorities, fuck the poor, fuck the elderly, fuck everyone except the top 10%. That's why you lost.
I assume you paid attention to the news last night? Your party just chose to kick Grover Norquist to the curb instead of kicking grandma & grandpa to the curb. Why the fuck any of you paid attention to that lunatic is beyond me.
You may want to stop a moment and consider your party's efforts to disenfranchise entire generations of minority voters in 2012 before continuing to claim that Democrats, who went to court multiple times fighting your party in order to restore the voting rights of minorities, are racist. You may also want to consider the statements of your party in 2012, when leaders proudly proclaimed that they had intentionally disenfranchised voters.
In 2012 hundreds of thousands of voters were either turned away, forced to drive across town to old voting precincts because Republican-led DMV/SoS had failed to update their voter registration when updating the rest of their state records with their new address (in violation of federal law - one of the regulations Republicans have been pushing to repeal for "fiscal" reasons), and/or forced voters to sit in line for up to 8 hours in order to cast their votes. All to prevent voting fraud. Of which there have only been a handful of cases in the past decade. Hundreds of thousands turned away or obstructed... for 1 or 2 fraud cases a year.
Republicans have never paid attention to the founding fathers, unless they can misquote one to further their racist/divisive agenda. "It is better 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer" is clearly being ignored.
The National-socialists were as socialist as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic. If you cannot even grasp that, you are the perfect troll indeed.
That he would even try to draw a line from a center-right party like the US Democratic party to socialism speaks volumes.
foolish liberals - if you only had a little reading comprehension, you wouldn't look so stupid by missing such a 'simple' point
though we expected nothing less from our 'educated' idiocracy
These liberal pussies saying we're better at dishing it out than taking it, would you rather take it? How's that working for the citizens of Uganda?
>Hello, I'm looking into some of the war crimes committed by American soldiers in WWII, specifically the Pacific Front. You know, skull skewing, rape, mass murder, all that stuff.
>How did the military handle all of these actions? They couldn't have possibly covered up all of this, right?
I think we might have drifted a little far off topic.
Q: Why do Tea Baggers travel in threes?
A: One who can read; one who can write; one to keep an eye on the dangerous intellectuals.
This joke originated in East Germany, but has an enduring universal appeal.
“The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own."
>The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws
And yet the entire time Somalia was lawless state, instead of being a paradise, it was a pariah preying on wealth from whatever international sources it could kidnap & steal.
Perhaps you should put the quote into context:
"After Tarquin's expulsion, the people, to check cabals among the Senators, devised many safeguards for freedom and for the establishment of unity. Decemvirs were appointed; everything specially admirable elsewhere was adopted, and the Twelve Tables drawn up, the last specimen of equitable legislation. For subsequent enactments, though occasionally directed against evildoers for some crime, were oftener carried by violence amid class dissensions, with a view to obtain honours not as yet conceded, or to banish distinguished citizens, or for other base ends. Hence the Gracchi and Saturnini, those popular agitators, and Drusus too, as flagrant a corrupter in the Senate's name; hence, the bribing of our allies by alluring promises and the cheating them by tribunes vetoes. Even the Italian and then the Civil war did not pass without the enactment of many conflicting laws, till Lucius Sulla, the Dictator, by the repeal or alteration of past legislation and by many additions, gave us a brief lull in this process, to be instantly followed by the seditious proposals of Lepidus, and soon afterwards by the tribunes recovering their license to excite the people just as they chose. And now bills were passed, not only for national objects but for individual cases, and laws were most numerous when the commonwealth was most corrupt."
Loses quite a bit of punch from the mindless one line soundbite.
Loses quite a bit of punch from the mindless one line soundbite.
You do realize you just turned a paragraph of information into the same kind of mindless zombie soundbite you like to parrot?
You don't think a lot, do you? Is it the medication you're on? Did daddy touch you at night when you were a child?
>You don't think a lot, do you? Is it the leftist ideology you're on
perhaps you are getting tired of your somalia fetish?
>perhaps you are getting tired of your somalia fetish
Are you getting tired of your gun fetish? How about your abortion fetish? Your denial of science fetish? Your refusal to believe economic theory fetish (the ones based on historical record, not the ones based on touchy-feely "its the right thing to do" justifications)? Your denial of voting rights fetish? Your "legitimate rape" fetish? Your half-baked austerity fetish? Your denial of civil rights fetish? Your war on women fetish? Your bloated military budget fetish? Your anti-education fetish? Your fetish for placing a Bush or Nixon on the Republican presidential ticket (80 years and counting)? Your debt limit default fetish? Your trans-vaginal ultrasound fetish?
Boy isn't it fun bringing everything down to sound bites suitable for comprehension by 5 year olds?
i understand why you asked the wizard for a brain
perhaps you should have asked him for a soul
Murdering others over a bundle of cells unable to survive on its own while gloating about an innocent man who's been put to death would seem to be the acts of soulless individuals, so hollow inside that all they can feel is hate.
Oh, skeletor? Here's how you know she's full of shit, because she's still around to blame everything on radical liberals. See, if there were any actual radical liberals in the US, she would have taken a bullet through the forehead long ago, along with scores of other lowlife degenerates.
Radical liberals are like that.
Now here you go, bringing logic into the conversation.
We had a nice trip into ridiculous fantasy world going and you had to spoil it by bringing us back to reality.
I hope you're happy.
Yeah its kinda weird how all these liberal big union jackbooted thugs never seem to do anything. We have militiamen and fundamentalist Christians kill doctors and government employees about biannually, but it's been a while since we've had anarchist bomb throwers.
and the apex of your moral compass is supporting abortion
you should have asked for souls
You have to be reading every other word and making up shit to fill in the gaps.
Yes, because a soul is a real thing, a clump of cells is a human being, and I am the king of Spain.
>a clump of cells is a human being
I'm curious as to what you're comprised of, if not cells...
Are you a robot or a ghost?
If I'm reading him right, Obama is a radical leftist Muslim that was born in Kenya and faked his educational records (in other words, racist envy - a black man went to college and this guy dropped out of high school).
I half suspect nobody can actually be this dense, and he's just paid to spread this bullshit online by one of the many, many billionaires willing to fund disinformation campaigns.
Because, really, if he actually believes the lines of bullshit he's been spewing, why hasn't Obama nationalized the entire oil, power, tech, etc. sectors and lined up supposedly traitorous slime like himself to be shot in front of firing squads? Surely this elaborate fantasy can't hinge on his massive collection of pea-shooters? 22cal bullets fired out of his illegally-modified-to-full-auto "assault rifles" aren't going to penetrate the armor of national guard units sent out to quell his seditious uprising.
I happen to be both robot and ghost. But to be human requires a few extra's to the cells. It's a blurry line, but survivability outside of the uterus is usually a good rule of thumb.
And before you discount it as arbitrary, think of the fact that we kill and eat animals like pigs, even though they have the capacity for suffering and intellect of a toddler.
That tells you that the question isn't so much, can it feel pain or is it conscious, but how likely is it to develop into a (self-conscious) individual.
If it cannot exist outside of the uterus, its potential for development is not yet autonomous, but dependent on the carrier, who by extension has full power to decide over the entity. As long as the clump of cells cannot exit alone, they are an integral part of the host, who can do with it as she sees fit.
A small number of cells that's incapable of surviving, even with all of medical science involved, vs. trillions of cells capable of surviving on its own. Yeah, it's like they're exactly the same thing, how ever could someone have not seen that. Every time someone treats an infection with antibiotics they're killing more cells than this, yet you're not going to accuse a doctor of murder every time they write a prescription.
But what's next? When a woman miscarries do you carry out a murder investigation? That's what a "personhood" amendment would require. Because when women get raped, they have ways of shutting that whole thing down, so a miscarriage has to be murder. Must have put aspirin between her knees.
Yeah, this went downhill fast.