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Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463
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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.


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Historian 14/11/12(Wed)06:09 No. 14464

Well, the U.S. would find a way to get rid of the Native Americans then. After all, the conservative people would be rioting in the streets because of cloning.

So an important step would be to deport/kill/imprison all the conservative people (Only a small amount of the populace would remain, perfect for a working Communist government).


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Historian 14/11/17(Mon)05:06 No. 14467

A more likely result would be the conservatives and capitalists and entrepreneurs migrating to the Tribal Nations while the overarching Federal system imploded.


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Historian 14/11/20(Thu)20:29 No. 14468

>>>14467
This would likely never happen. You and OPs orignial idea. Both are interesting concepts except...That would mean that wealthy people would have to interact/invest in/live with brown people. And not just brown people the brownest and poorest people you can find on this continent. They would also have to live and produce their work in some of the most remote, undeveloped, and POOR areas of the country.

There are a few instances where tribes have turned it around, but these have been in places where the natural resources (Natural Gas,oil, uranium, etc) was accessed by the tribe before the corportate developers could steal it from them. Good example: the Southern Ute tribe of Colorado and their Natural Gas development. Bad example: the Peabody Coal mine in Northern Arizona.

In a lot of modern cases many tribes see the exact oppurtunity OP is talking about but the projects always falter, and it all boils down to the reasons I listed. Poor, under educated local work force, remote locations with no local markert,no developed supporting infrastructure, and beleive it or not Good old fashioned American racism. All of these shitty situations could be turned around, but there is no profit in it for the weathliest 1% so no one gives a shit.

And lets not forget one other important factor. Many Native Americans dont want anything to do with the bulk of modern western advancement. Western culture is a cancer that they have been trying to fight for 500 years.


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Historian 14/11/22(Sat)12:33 No. 14469

Why do that? They can just sell payday loans and similar financial arrangements with federally unenforceable, though legally enforceable, terms because the contract is "signed" in tribal land. Americans are already giving tribes their money without having to deal with all the pollution (physically and spiritually) they'd cause by inviting assholes onto tribal land. All they want is your money and you're giving it to them already.

Besides, if all the conservative entrepreneurial capitalists left the US, the US would end up with a tax surplus, since red states consume more federal spending than they contribute in taxes.


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Historian 14/11/29(Sat)17:20 No. 14470

thats basicly how many tribes open up casinos and sell cheap ciggarettes.

How much of that they want on their land is their business though.

You simply cannot "will your land" to another sovereign entity, tribe or nation. You only own your land under the government. This is how it works, this is how it's always worked.

Private property exists at the will of either a government or at gunpoint.(which is also gunpoint). Think thats a joke? If you "own" land, it basicly means you have a piece of paper given to you by the government allowing you to "own" it. If the government didn't exist, your neighbors would most likely respect your claim, so long as you lived there, or where using the land, but after a certain peroid of time(like 100 years), people would forget you where there and just move in.

Property rights be damned, if the US government didn't want you doing something, they'd stop you. Anywhere in the world, if it became enough trouble to be worth the while.


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Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:09 No. 14488

>>14470

that's why you give them thousands and millions of little targets that have ties with millions and billions who wouldn't approve of or appreciate the US regime entity's bad behaviour towards those initial few thousands and millions who agitate against the US government, effectively backing the government into a corner to acquiesce to your will, overwhelmed by too many little targets, each of which can be a threat to the individuals that make up the government, but none of which are so easily distinguished from the rest of the population, which would overwhelm the regime's personnel should it ever come out that they're dangerous to the whole of population


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Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:11 No. 14489

>>14488

actually the danger can be imagined as well, a key tactic is to provoke bad behaviour by relying on the regime's laziness and hubris, this is a good tactic since it's got a good chance of working against bad regimes, and simply doesn't if a regime is half decent

the fallout leads to recruitment for one's own side and if it continues on long enough becomes a critical mass chain reaction, a half decent regime is like a reactor with cooling rods


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)00:36 No. 14525

OP have you ever been to a reservation? Native Americans are dead. What little "culture" they had has festered into posion. There are still some rich land owners but the majority are poor and not just poor, soul crushingly poor.


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>>14526
>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.


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Historian 15/05/23(Sat)19:43 No. 14619

>>14468
The Pequots in CT actually have an advantage there. At least, they would if they weren't losing a shit ton of cash in poor business decisions.

They open their research facility. Populate it with the people Pfizer shitcans and the kids graduating from URI. Nobody has to move far. If at all. Then they start another housing project for senior staff. Research is funded by the casino and the mall. Funds and administration is handled by the people they already have on hand. The company dregs live in the surrounding towns and cities. In time they open an academy to rake in more money.

If they didn't spend and lose millions on the MGM Grand they'd probably have enough money to do this.



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