join the military and enjoy your ptsd faggot.

>>214
PTSD is for the weak; Kill, rape, pillage!

Peace Corps nigga

>>215
Indeed, it is.

During WW1 it was called "shell shock" and was viewed, as it had been viewed since the dawn of time, as the thing that separated the wheat from the chaff. Real men didn't suffer from shell shock, while the weak minded did.

The big difference between WW1 and earlier conflicts was the scope - more people were exposed to battle so more of the weak minded were uncovered - and the documenting both events and its aftermath were far easier thanks to the advancement of technology. But make no mistake - no matter what it's called it's not a new phenomenon. Some men will suffer from it while others won't.

The question, OP, is... do you want to find out which group you're part of?

>>230
And no true Scotsman would..blah blah blah.

Taking a holistic view, learning stuff is better for the overall wealth of the world than wasting resources on armed conflicts. Also, chicks.

>>232
>Also, chicks.
Considering how much rape is committed by the military, that's not an argument against enlisting.

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military.
you get discipline, money, free food, free housing, and if you're in for more than 2 years or something they will pay for college.
just do it

Do ROTC and join the military as an officer. You get higher pay than enlisted, all sorts of allowances/benefits, you're not AS MUCH of a dog, and you get trained in all sorts of useful skills.

Plus, military service means you'll *possibly* have a lower chance of turning into a fat fuck.

>>255
Nigger you know he doesn't have money for college, why the hell would you even suggest that? Also good luck getting OCS when there's hundreds ahead of the OP with BS/BAs.

Just sign up OP, the most you have to lose is four years for a bit of cash, work experience, possible disability for bullshit reasons and free college.

CHECK OUT YOUR CONTRACT OPTIONS

>>260
Idiot, he's already in college. graduating ROTC in college makes you a 2nd lieutenant when you join the branch of whatever branch your ROTC was.

The military has a program in which they pay off 1/3 of your college debt per year served in the military. The army offers many scholarships (assuming he has grades and merits for it),and worst case scenario, he takes out a loan for college, joins the military after graduating, as a 2nd lieutenant and pays off his debt, since graduating the advanced course in ROTC obligates you to 3 years of service anyhow.

>>263
That would be a great option if OP has the funds already to continue attending college.

Also you still need to do 4 years of ROTC.

get your college degree THEN join the military. Better paygrade as an officer

don,t need your kind anyway

Keep in mind that even if you do get in as a officer, after your 4 years you will be back on the street in need of a job just like the random specialist next to you.

Join now, work a shitty job and have you college paid off later or go to college and work a shitty job to pay off you debt then. Either way you're fucked

i cant tell you how to fund your college, but assuming what you said, i dont think the military is a good idea

I once had a mate (dad's mate) that was a career soldier-10 years in the australian army infantry

He told me that there was this bloke that joined simply to get money- not actually to be a soldier- and hated his job so much he actually got the boot for reasons 'not wanting to be there'- in other words severe depression. After all, that sort of people can get you killed fast

>>317
>>317
being an officer gives you more job opportunities and the training/college for that 'distinguishes' you more often. There -is- a social and political adventage to that,

Debt is not bad if you pay it. The US economy has recovered considerably since 2008, so you should be able to land an okay job with a relevant degree and experience levels. It's still broken, but they've pumped more gas into it (pun intended).

there is a saying that goes a little like this "if you have a pulse you have a job in western north dakota (eastern montana too)i make 60k a year as a delivery man with almost no experience and no special license but if you get a CDL you can make 90k a year. just google sidney or fairview MT or williston, watford, beach, or dickinson ND there are so mant jobs that the MCdonalds in Sidney MT had to close its lobby for months because they couldn't get enough people to work it.

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Join the military but don't do more than the required 4. I Would also suggest being infantry. You'll get called a fagot otherwise. Also just makes life easier when you get out because you're constantly thinking "well at least im not sleeping in a mud hole like that one time." plus you get to shoot big guns etc. be careful of the alcoholism though, runs rampant.

I was going to join the navy, after memps I went to meet the person who was to show me the jobs I qualified for and NONE OF THE JOBS OFFERED ENLISTMENT BONUSES.

Turns out so many people have been trying to join the army/navy they've stopped offering a lot of the bonuses. Once Nuke jobs were getting bonuses. I decided to just take a minimum wage job and live with my parents rent free

>>207
>>370
Dont do infantry my man, Be a MP easiest job in my opinion you sit on base and dont do shit except collect your pay check, some MP's also wont be stationed in a base so they will have you stationed in a building controlled by the government and if they do that they pay for your hotel room or where ever you are staying, and if you dont like it change your MOS after your 4 years,

>>369
Military police get crappy hours, you have to work holidays ,cooks have it bad too. Seeing as you have debt you won't be getting a secret clearance. Try for supply clerk or 92Y. Pencil pusher job but the skill set is worth something civil side.

If you want something really easy go with 68E - Dental Specialist.

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Well, you can always join the military to pay your college afterwards if you need/want to. I'd say dick around and have fun in college while you can.

Picture unrelated.

the army is awesome for computer geeks like me but, its the job you pick that makes its crappy.

enjoy being expendable.

Death is the only option for you peasant.

>>442

Not really, getting a honorable discharge is pretty easy when you suck the right officer's dick.

>>438
25B? God I hate being signal in a S-Shop.

In the know fashionistas agree that the military is the cool place to be.

>>207
seriously fuck going into the military, was in for almost 5 years and all they did was fuck my mind and body up. I suffer from all sorts of medical issues and was completely healthy before I went in. I am stuck with most of the bills because they cop out and say that the problems that I have are pre existing with no proof. You will be used as a tool and lied to and brainwashed. Pure and simple. Never join, never surrender your right to being a human being

>>465
Sounds like you we're a 'conscientious objector'.
OP don't listen to this sourpuss, my Bet's she's talking about a friend she has no clue about.

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Well I joined in 2006. I got out in 2010. Needless to say I did two tours overseas, both Iraq. Had I stayed my company ended up going to Afghanistan later on in 2010.

I managed to save 78% of my money. No joke, but I was a very rare exception. Most of my peers ended up blowing their money on cars, booze, and nightclubs. I saved but still managed to have a little fun.

Now I'm about to finish school. I raped the GI bill for all it was worth and I could still put myself through half of grad school if I don't get/lose my job in the future.

I have zero debts. I have savings. Most of my savings I put into mutual funds over my time there and watched them grow. I lost money early but sunk a bunch in in '09. Timed it right I guess. Now I don't know so I keep a lot in cash. Since I move a lot and have a roomate anyway I didn't buy a house even though I could have. Going to be sweet soon though, but I want to have a stable government job first and know that I won't have to move.

Army life was fun, but sucks at times. If you don't know how to handle privation you'll learn. The comradderie is probably the only reason to go, I still have one good friend who I've seen once every summer since we've been out, we meet up in Florida at his parents' condo, they pay for their son's flight and mine and we all smoke together. Shit's cash.

Don't die. My two tours sucked and although I never killed anyone I saw dudes the IA killed, and A LOT of dead animals. Those are what bother me in my sleep. Not a bad gig overall financially. Still, I'd wait to see who wins the election, if Romney wins you can guarantee a war with Iran to appease the Israeli blood gods. They are our overlords after all.

If you do go, save your money and you'll thank yourself. Just live cheaply and get what you can for free. Don't succumb to the BAH trap, I saw too many guys do that only to get screwed in the end.

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>>370
Join the infantry.
>You'll get called a fagot otherwise.
>Makes life easier when you get out because you're constantly thinking "well at least im not sleeping in a mud hole like that one time."
>plus you get to shoot big guns etc.
>be careful of the alcoholism though, runs rampant.

so in other words
don't be like this guy
FUCKING DON'T ENLIST

First off, I only have experience with US reserve military (haters gonna hate), but I have a lot of friends who went/were active so I have some sources for what I'm about to throw out there.

1. If you don't support the military or what it does, don't join. If your attitude/non-support doesn't get you kicked out, it will still get the attention of your command and they will make your life suck until you get out or to a new command (where it starts again). Even if you hide your non-support well, you still run the risk of pulling a Bradly Manning and 'doing the right thing.' Which is treating him GREAT right now.

2. Even some dogs get treated well. I know guys that love thier job in the military and have re-enlisted instead of getting out to go to school as per thier original plan. Key example: I have a friend that fixes fighter jets. He contracted into his job when he went to the recruiter knowing that when he got out he would be able to place in a high paying civilian job right away. He's re-upped twice because he loves his job, he has a stable job in an unstable economy, and where he's stationed (Japan). Yes, he has enough time for anime, D&D, vidja games, and whatever he has sex with on leave. Yes, some of the other guys in his shop have similar interests.

3. A military career will be what you make of it. There are a lot of available jobs in the military that may surprise you. Many of them translate directly into a civilian job once you get out (or through a transition program). If you contract into a job (when you speak with a recruiter, enlisted only btw) and it is something you want to do, you will enjoy it better than something that sounds "good enough" or "better than infantry." I have friends who are infantry and love thier jobs. Kicking in doors, getting in firefights, and living in the dirt is what they live for. They hate being stateside because some of these guys FUCKING BELONG in a war zone. These same guys have done well because they enjoy what they do. They get to go to cool training and have advanced quickly. All of them have PTSD, but only a couple have a hard time functioning in society. Hearing loss on the other hand is a HUGE issue for them all.

I have friends who work in intelligence that enjoy thier dorm room living style barracks with a clean and quiet work environment. Some of them keep strange hours, but it suits them. They don't tell me much about what they do, but it treats them well and they've picked up rank fast. These guys almost never stay in because when thier contract is up, guys with an intelligence background start in the marketplace with entry income over $80k/year. You need to pass strict screening for a security clearance for those jobs though.

I also have friends who went in either not knowing much about the job they signed up for or with a open contract (their job was assigned to them, they didn't pick it). Guys in this group that I know generally hated life and got out, either through finding ways out via medical discharge or by administrative separation (bad). If you don't want to be there, you won't last.

4. Reserves are a different ballgame. If you want college paid for (but don't plan on deploying), pick any reserves other than the Marine Corps. Even Coast Guard Reserves get education benefits, but not USMCr. However, if you have ANY active duty time outside of the training environment in ANY branch of reserve, it will count toward your benefits through the GI Bill (free college money).

The whole one weekend a month, two weeks a year thing is a bit of a gag though. If you do like I did and try to go to school while in the reserves, you will have stubling blocks. Every time we do our 'two' weeks per year it turns out more like three and interferes with either exams or the beginning of fall semester. Also, those weekends have a tendancy to be four day weekends. It's fun explaining to professors how this letter from my command excuses me from class on Thursday through Sunday, but due to needing to pack on Wednesday night and drive half a state away to check in to the hotel, no feasible time over the weekend, and the need to fucking de-stress and unass my gear on Sunday night before my week starts all over again means I won't be able to take that test on Tuesday morning or why I want an extenion on that big project. I've had issues with profs over this that I ended up having my command talk to the appropriate dean on campus over, and I've had professors just dismiss whole tests/projects for me.

Reserves allow you to do both at the same time, but there are a lot of challenges other than the direct conflict with school I just mentioned. It is a lot harder to work out on your own every day than when on active status and your shop/platoon/whatever has scheduled time/activities that you just don't fucking miss. Your command may or may not hate you just for being in the reserves. In the USMC reserves, our units have active duty guys running the admin/logistics. Sometimes they make life suck for reservists because they can and want to. It's hard to balance work/school/military/having a family. I do it, I know people that do it, but that doesn't make it any easier. I'm still glad I'm not active though. I place a high value on my personal time/space and enjoy having a house where I can fuck my wife whenever I want (outside of training weekends).

5. Officer life can be pretty boss. Getting there can be the hardest thing you ever did in your life. Also, (at least in the USMC) you don't get to choose your job. It's selected for you via a form of raffle based on your performance and your job preferences (which you list in decending order). This allows a rationing of performers and shitbags to each of the officer job categories so you don't end up with all the fucking rockstars in infantry/intelligence/pilots and all the incompetent fucks in supply/admin/food-service. This rationing is good for the military, but can really fuck the individual.

I know a guy who ended up an infantry officer. He even started off elisted infantry. He is everything you expect in an officer or a combat leader: cunning, capable, and vicious. The system has treated him well, but there is blood on his hands. As an officer (esp. infantry) the individual pays a very high personal cost for success of not only mission, but thier own career. I would follow this man to the gates of hell, but I know that he would pay passage through them with my blood if he had to. This leads me to my final point.

6. What you get out of the deal is a bit of a wildcard and a bit of what you ask for. It's like wishing with a monkey's paw: you get what you ask for (usually), but it's not how you intended. I wanted a lot of the personal enrichment one expects from the military and I got it. But it's not they way I imagined or expected. Leadership skills, self discipline, a mindset that allows you to overcome just about anything that comes your way, and the perspective granted by emotial trama. All things I gained. All things I expected. And as much as I may bitch about my career, I wouldn't trade any of it back.

Then again, YMMV.

>>219
this

>>219
^Word
Finish college, even if you decide to do the military anyways. They can help pay your debt (if you go about it right) and more jobs are available to you (even if you go un-enlisted you will still be more competitive/get promotions and pay raises quicker).
Peace Corps. and AmeriCorps. are also excellent options, although you can't do those as a career (I don't know about PeaceCorps. but in AmeriCorps. you only get 7 years -4 w/State and National, 2 w/NCC, 1 w/VISTA) and the application process is much more competitive.
Whatever you do, FUCKIN DO YOUR RESEARCH and be sure you can live with the Worst-Case scenario for your decision should that come to pass.

>>550
I meant non-commissioned, not un-enlisted. (self-facepalm enacted)

This site is so sad.

Go ahead, OP. Go out and murder people (or at least aid an organization whose fundamental purpose is to murder people) for your own benefit.Then sleep with that every night for 50 years.

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>>210
Just got out of active duty in the US Navy. Hated it, felt like I lost 4 years of my life, but I did get really close with the people I worked with. I saved a lot of leave and am getting paid to sit on my ass for 90 days, if I hadn't impulsively bought a new laptop I wouldn't be living off rice and canned chili until the 1st of Dec. It is true though you get paid every 1st and 15th at 12:00am, 3 square meals, barracks, or if you're stationed in VA like I was you could stay in off base barracks that look just like apartments rent free. It's not a bad rap except for the fact you're treated like an idiot and made to do senseless menial work. pic is the off base barracks.

Finish college, OP. The military has its ups and downs, but comes to an end eventually, and then you still need to finish college or be self-employed, and you'll have wasted 4 years off playing maintenance guy and forgotten how to be a student. Also, regardless of what the mil tells you, in the private sector, no one wants to hire soldiers. It is a gigantic problem and has been worsening for decades. Mostly of the qualities that make you a good soldier are amplified by your service, and are the very qualities that no one wants in an employee.

You can have all these lofty ideas about noble wars and patriotism and shit, but when you get there, and look around at your fellow enlisted men, you'll quickly realize, military service is on par with the prison system. It's for people with no other skills, sense, or options in life.

Finish college, become an officer, or don't join. 4-6 years is a long time to hold your breath and wait for your life to progress again.

>>564
>Mostly of the qualities that make you a good soldier are amplified by your service, and are the very qualities that no one wants in an employee.

Following instructions, able to cope under pressure, showing up to work early. Yeah sounds like the last thing anyone would want to hire. OP if you're just looking for a way to pay off your debt join the Air force or navy.

is the GI Bill retroactive (i.e. if you finish college will they pay it pay your student loans or only pay for further schooling not yet completed). Personally, I'd go into the military after college (go to OCS - officer candidate school) and then use the GI bill to get a masters in something.

OP, what are you good at? Math, Logic, Sciences, etc?

My plan is to join the Chair Force. However, due to some congressional jewry, they now do credit checks before you can join the military. So basically they advertise that they'll help you pay off your debts, but then they won't let you in because you have debts. Now I have to find a full-time job to start paying off my bills and debts I racked up in college before I can even sell my soul to die for Murrica.

>>447
25B is the way to go! I love my 6 shop and we hardly do shit. Between me and one other SPC, we basically run the whole shop and still manage to beat out every other unit in a state-wide exercise.

If you really want to solve your financial problems right away, get an education, and have a background that helps you get jobs in the civilian world- go National Guard. You will spend 9 weeks in basic plus whatever you do for AIT, which for me was 6 months. All that time, you're being fed, clothed, and housed for free. Then you come back with all the money you've been saving up over that time, and you can go into college with the Army paying for most of it. Don't get suckered into going for a bonus- it's way too easy to loose the bonus. Just sign up for 4 years active and 4 inactive and you'll be fine. If you get deployed, no big deal, it's just more money.

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Go be 11B in the army and kiss your education goodbye! Trying to go back with ptsd and tbi into an environment full of
crybaby fags is rough. Take it from me, get smrt then go learn a skill you poor jew bastard! (Pic related)

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If your biggest problem is debt youre lucky.

A friend joined and came back not the same. He wasnt physically injured (thank you gods) but PTSD is real and debilitating.

Seeing people die changes you, never for the better.

>>645
>Seeing people die changes you, never for the better.
Not entirely true.
Having a loved one pass can make you appreciate life for what it is(though it's not the same kind of death you'd see on a battlefield).

>>654

Agree. Love and companionship can really wash those things away. Even without being traumatized, one needs them to live a full life, really.

>>520
Do you know if the Air Guard drug tests often? Literally the only reason I'm hesitant about joining is because I really, really like doing drugs, that being said I've been drug tested by high school and college so I am really good at cleaning my system and taking breaks. I have the beat/pattern/timing down to an art.