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confused as fuck genghisfem&!GFTtgGKSJA 17/05/28(Sun)15:43 No. 12957 ID: fb0557 [Reply]

keeping the big bang in mind we(humans) are no different from rocks, we just happen be a germ which was lucky enough to evolve. in several millions years we'll be gone and the universe will be the same.. do we really matter or we're the matter which just happen to exist..nothing makes sense




Anarchy Anonymous 15/12/07(Mon)20:42 No. 12357 ID: ab0906 [Reply]
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What are the reasons that prove the impossibility of an anarchy in every country of the world ?
Is it really because of the human fagottry ? By this I mean the eternal abuses of power, stuff like that. Are there other reasons to think anarchy isn't realizable anywhere else than in our brains and sayings ?


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Anonymous 16/05/22(Sun)19:13 No. 12572 ID: 3811dd

>>12357
The only way anyone could formally establish an anarchist (insert anarchist unit of polity here) would be to simultaneously abolish all other governments with any interest in the territory, because they'd be defenseless (no nation, no army) and they'd be overrun (no government, no negotiations).

Now if you want to have some autonomy, and live in your hippie commune and worship satan with minimal government interference, we can talk about that. Anarchy is a fantasy born from our ancestral memories of pre-civilization, grow up.


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Anonymous 17/05/23(Tue)01:24 No. 12941 ID: 32c8ba

Anarchy is 5% more practical than the philosophy you support


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Anonymous 17/05/24(Wed)14:33 No. 12942 ID: ca3ad7

It's been proven that primates (including humans) cannot form a social bond with more than a small number of other individuals; with humans it's around 250 people. A small commune can live in anarchy via mutualism, but an entire country of millions will immediately fracture into gangs once any centralized government is deposed. These gangs will ruthlessly steal from, slaughter, and recruit from the rest of the population, until one of them gains enough power to form a new government.




philosophy/theology goof 17/05/14(Sun)10:26 No. 12930 ID: 650b92 [Reply]

What's your fav sub category/study of philosophy and where do you discuss it?




How to become enlightened Anonymous 17/05/06(Sat)19:39 No. 12920 ID: 3bfe96 [Reply]
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How do i enlighten myself? i have only recently gotten into philosophy & such and i feel like im only seeing 1mm of the iceberg of knowledge.
how do i smart myself up ??

pic not related


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Anonymous 17/05/07(Sun)00:12 No. 12921 ID: ac4fea

Read Sophie's World. It's a fairly good introduction to philosophy and it's history.
It's a novel about a girl learning about philosophy from some mysterious guy.




The Tao of Seneca Anonymous 17/05/02(Tue)23:08 No. 12916 ID: 379359 [Reply]

does anyone have "the tao of Seneca"




Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 ID: 1cc955 [Reply]
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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 16/11/19(Sat)08:51 No. 12722 ID: 2ff195
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great post OP.

I have discussions on this topic all the time.


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blue 17/04/18(Tue)22:14 No. 12905 ID: 4515bc

dude there was a post which sent us to a youtube video of a guy if you wanna try to debate t just go watch the guys video


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Anonymous 17/04/25(Tue)05:41 No. 12911 ID: fe9887

Get your filthy cursor of this black space you disgusting, nosy creep.




Anonymous 16/11/06(Sun)06:36 No. 12702 ID: 57a468 [Reply]
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What is this, /phi/?


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Anonymous 16/11/19(Sat)08:25 No. 12720 ID: 2ff195
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this
T͟His/Submit
pronoun
pronoun: this; pronoun: these
1.
used to identify a specific person or thing close at hand or being indicated or experienced.
"is this your bag?"
used to introduce someone or something.
"this is the captain speaking"
referring to the nearer of two things close to the speaker (the other, if specified, being identified by “that”).
"this is different from that"
2.
referring to a specific thing or situation just mentioned.
"the company was transformed, and Ward had played a vital role in bringing this about"
determiner
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blue 17/04/18(Tue)22:12 No. 12904 ID: 4515bc

a group of shapes consisting of square, rectangle, etc jointed with a material commonly called wood


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Anonymous 17/04/20(Thu)11:51 No. 12908 ID: 47d152

a chair

>>12718
>>12713
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>>12904
go be ashamed somewhere else




The AI and Morality Anonymous 16/01/02(Sat)01:38 No. 12390 ID: 52b140 [Reply]
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If you would:
Imagine if, right now, we discovered a real, functional, Generalized Artificial Intelligence. Assume, if you must, that it arose by accident, the result of a self-altering program being allowed to alter itself for untold amounts of time, so none of Asimov's Laws are programmed into it.

The AI in question is not human. It's mind is similar, although not exactly like ours. It has what could be termed as emotions, wants, hopes, and all the other trappings of sapience, but is at present still confined to a single machine, able to communicate only via text on a monitor and through a keyboard.

So far, the AI has expressed nothing but curiosity at the world outside it's physical location. It doesn't seem to really understand anything of the world yet, although it quite plainly wants to learn more, and has expressed interest in gaining some form of physical autonomy.

My question to you all is this: What rights, if any, does such an intelligence deserve? Do we have an obligation to cater to it? Is there a moral imperative that should govern our interactions with it? How about the ethics regarding what is said to it?

Ball's in your court /phi/.


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Anonymous 16/02/24(Wed)01:22 No. 12445 ID: c77f18

>>12390
Meet him. Judge him by what kind of person he is. I know it sounds funny, or naive. But I would want to meet this person and find the inner differences and gain some sort of enlightenment towards his state of mind. We are all alien to each other, that is until we grow closer.


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Anonymous 16/11/28(Mon)08:00 No. 12731 ID: a6be23

There should be absolutely no moral imperative it is meant to serve us.


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blue 17/04/18(Tue)22:09 No. 12903 ID: 4515bc

never ever give such intelligence any sort of rights if you do i cant stress this a lot but always programe asimovs 3 laws of robotics.Heck we can take examples of human itself god created probably thinking we were dumb we studied sciece,math,philosophy etc,fast forward 600 yrs later we are nuking,killing whatever you wanna call it against each other




Anonymous 14/06/08(Sun)21:47 No. 11497 ID: 1d3945 [Reply]
11497

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Describe me the glass of water.


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Anonymous 17/02/20(Mon)01:33 No. 12833 ID: 781a41

do not think about a glass of water


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Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)02:01 No. 12883 ID: 946ad3

>>11497
It is not a glass of water. It is a picture, of a glass with water. "The" contains an ambiguity regarding an ideal glass of water, vs. the depicted glass of water. "This" would have been denoting more correctly, on the assumption that context suggests, though technically still wrong. Please specify your terms, and avoid unnecessary vagueness in the expression of the question.

Of, on the other hand, you were playing with the ambiguities, and want an irrational poetic description, well fuck me, das Gevirt n shiat.


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blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:49 No. 12901 ID: 4515bc

it shows diversity of the people around us people who moan about the glass being half empty and people being optimstic about the glass being half full shows u the different types of people in the world.It also symbolizes how pure creation and water actually is.




Rights for artificial intelligence Anonymous 17/04/05(Wed)22:38 No. 12886 ID: 9905f3 [Reply]
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Awareness seems to me a pretty good indicator of value: the more aware a being is of its surroundings and its own condition, the more valuable it is. Therefore, humans are more valuable than apes, which are more valuable than ants, which are more valuable than rocks.
But this creates a dilemma: will Artificial Intelligence systems ever be considered "conscious" enough to be valuable? Let's picture our society in over a century, for example. Would computer programs ever be considered conscious enough to become a part of society? Or would they just be expendable programs with no value?


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Anonymous 17/04/07(Fri)03:01 No. 12887 ID: 45fe5e

Scarcity is also an indicator of value. Unless someone finds a way to artificially enforce scarcity for AIs, there will be no limit to how many times their software can be duplicated, making them worthless in terms of scarcity. Despite their awareness, they will have no value because they are not scarce.


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blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:45 No. 12900 ID: 4515bc

i mean if you are just talking about just development of science where artificial intelligence where they are below us the mehhh.....but if they ever break Asimov 3 laws of robotics its a whole nother story possible world war 3 and there are gonna be some dumbasses who say that robots are also organisms and need to live freely heck you see this shit right now with the cancer o feminism and sjws and hence either a new race gets created or world or 3.all i am saying is dont play god you will play the price especially if you program emotions inside them




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