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The Tao of Seneca Anonymous 17/05/02(Tue)23:08 No. 12916 ID: 379359 [Reply]

does anyone have "the tao of Seneca"

Anonymous 16/11/06(Sun)06:36 No. 12702 ID: 57a468 [Reply]

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What is this, /phi/?

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Anonymous 16/11/19(Sat)08:25 No. 12720 ID: 2ff195

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pronoun: this; pronoun: these
used to identify a specific person or thing close at hand or being indicated or experienced.
"is this your bag?"
used to introduce someone or something.
"this is the captain speaking"
referring to the nearer of two things close to the speaker (the other, if specified, being identified by “that”).
"this is different from that"
referring to a specific thing or situation just mentioned.
"the company was transformed, and Ward had played a vital role in bringing this about"
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blue 17/04/18(Tue)22:12 No. 12904 ID: 4515bc

a group of shapes consisting of square, rectangle, etc jointed with a material commonly called wood

Anonymous 17/04/20(Thu)11:51 No. 12908 ID: 47d152

a chair

go be ashamed somewhere else

The AI and Morality Anonymous 16/01/02(Sat)01:38 No. 12390 ID: 52b140 [Reply]

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If you would:
Imagine if, right now, we discovered a real, functional, Generalized Artificial Intelligence. Assume, if you must, that it arose by accident, the result of a self-altering program being allowed to alter itself for untold amounts of time, so none of Asimov's Laws are programmed into it.

The AI in question is not human. It's mind is similar, although not exactly like ours. It has what could be termed as emotions, wants, hopes, and all the other trappings of sapience, but is at present still confined to a single machine, able to communicate only via text on a monitor and through a keyboard.

So far, the AI has expressed nothing but curiosity at the world outside it's physical location. It doesn't seem to really understand anything of the world yet, although it quite plainly wants to learn more, and has expressed interest in gaining some form of physical autonomy.

My question to you all is this: What rights, if any, does such an intelligence deserve? Do we have an obligation to cater to it? Is there a moral imperative that should govern our interactions with it? How about the ethics regarding what is said to it?

Ball's in your court /phi/.

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Anonymous 16/02/24(Wed)01:22 No. 12445 ID: c77f18

Meet him. Judge him by what kind of person he is. I know it sounds funny, or naive. But I would want to meet this person and find the inner differences and gain some sort of enlightenment towards his state of mind. We are all alien to each other, that is until we grow closer.

Anonymous 16/11/28(Mon)08:00 No. 12731 ID: a6be23

There should be absolutely no moral imperative it is meant to serve us.

blue 17/04/18(Tue)22:09 No. 12903 ID: 4515bc

never ever give such intelligence any sort of rights if you do i cant stress this a lot but always programe asimovs 3 laws of robotics.Heck we can take examples of human itself god created probably thinking we were dumb we studied sciece,math,philosophy etc,fast forward 600 yrs later we are nuking,killing whatever you wanna call it against each other

Anonymous 14/06/08(Sun)21:47 No. 11497 ID: 1d3945 [Reply]

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Describe me the glass of water.

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Anonymous 17/02/20(Mon)01:33 No. 12833 ID: 781a41

do not think about a glass of water

Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)02:01 No. 12883 ID: 946ad3

It is not a glass of water. It is a picture, of a glass with water. "The" contains an ambiguity regarding an ideal glass of water, vs. the depicted glass of water. "This" would have been denoting more correctly, on the assumption that context suggests, though technically still wrong. Please specify your terms, and avoid unnecessary vagueness in the expression of the question.

Of, on the other hand, you were playing with the ambiguities, and want an irrational poetic description, well fuck me, das Gevirt n shiat.

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:49 No. 12901 ID: 4515bc

it shows diversity of the people around us people who moan about the glass being half empty and people being optimstic about the glass being half full shows u the different types of people in the world.It also symbolizes how pure creation and water actually is.

Rights for artificial intelligence Anonymous 17/04/05(Wed)22:38 No. 12886 ID: 9905f3 [Reply]

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Awareness seems to me a pretty good indicator of value: the more aware a being is of its surroundings and its own condition, the more valuable it is. Therefore, humans are more valuable than apes, which are more valuable than ants, which are more valuable than rocks.
But this creates a dilemma: will Artificial Intelligence systems ever be considered "conscious" enough to be valuable? Let's picture our society in over a century, for example. Would computer programs ever be considered conscious enough to become a part of society? Or would they just be expendable programs with no value?

Anonymous 17/04/07(Fri)03:01 No. 12887 ID: 45fe5e

Scarcity is also an indicator of value. Unless someone finds a way to artificially enforce scarcity for AIs, there will be no limit to how many times their software can be duplicated, making them worthless in terms of scarcity. Despite their awareness, they will have no value because they are not scarce.

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:45 No. 12900 ID: 4515bc

i mean if you are just talking about just development of science where artificial intelligence where they are below us the mehhh.....but if they ever break Asimov 3 laws of robotics its a whole nother story possible world war 3 and there are gonna be some dumbasses who say that robots are also organisms and need to live freely heck you see this shit right now with the cancer o feminism and sjws and hence either a new race gets created or world or 3.all i am saying is dont play god you will play the price especially if you program emotions inside them

can pi be taken as a particular galaxy blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:24 No. 12896 ID: 4515bc [Reply]

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so i have a sort of philosophy that knowing details as the oldest grass to exist in the world and the population of the first existing dinosaurs may lead to unlocking infinity as in we can take it as a specific sort of factor as in how we see Avogadro number and such since scientist believe that the universe exapnds at what seems to be 68km per sec would it be possible if this equation which is infinity=68xmc2 as in x represting the actual diamter length whatever you may wanna call it as a standard unit

basically i made a law called the law of infinite which states that anything that goes faster than speed of which infinity increases gives infinity a value.as in just suppose you are counting 1,2,3,4 slowly if a count tell ten the infinte numbers which u were supposed to count has values now as in 5,6,7,8

while the equation wont certainly give as knowledge of the whole universe we can know the exact required of speed needed which may be distance by time whatever you call it to discover the end of infinity.i know this may not be plausible but i need your guys thoughts on it

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:32 No. 12897 ID: 4515bc

the x refers to the diameter that can be squared perfectly as pi sorry my bad didnt write it properly

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:33 No. 12898 ID: 4515bc

goaddmait mistake again i mean the diamter of the galaxy that squares with pi as i believe pi is sort of like a mathematical key in this equation

Anonymous 16/11/19(Sat)08:23 No. 12719 ID: 2ff195 [Reply]

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Anyone have an opinion on anything? I'm feeling sophisticated.

Anonymous 16/11/26(Sat)03:14 No. 12725 ID: 1e1b4e

i feel that since no one has the cosmic authority to tell you what reality is. You can can go to the grave believing any idea you want and it can be 100% real.

Anonymous 17/02/27(Mon)10:38 No. 12837 ID: cecc58

I believe the value of the human ideological structure will exponentially drop until the entire mass is seen as one collective. When there weren't many of us, ancient mythologies held much power over our souls. Now you can make a religion on a Saturday and find that it's quite profitable.

I believe time just outside of our narrow peripherals is growing more dense. More things can and are all happening with each passing moment, though our perception remains unchanged. When time collapses on itself, what happens to the material world?

Anonymous 17/04/12(Wed)09:11 No. 12893 ID: 51e6eb

The meaning of life is politics.
Putting your eggs in one basket is common.
Glenn Beck is the biggest con artist of the decade.

Anonymous 17/02/17(Fri)01:00 No. 12819 ID: f7426b [Reply]

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Why does Ayn Rand get so much criticism? I've only read The Fountainhead from her but from what I gather objectivism seems like it makes sense. It's kind of like this rational self interest that's similar to Nietzsche's philosiphy

Anonymous 17/02/17(Fri)01:18 No. 12820 ID: 74fa81

The Fountainhead is NOT considered Rand's magnum opus. It's Atlas Shrugged. Until you slog through that phone book of a treatises-disguised-as-a-novel, you will not understand either side of the Randian argument.

Anonymous 17/04/12(Wed)09:07 No. 12892 ID: 51e6eb

She is in temporary heaven right now, thinking: Boy I made a mistake.

Rights Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)10:09 No. 12857 ID: bfae6f [Reply]

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a. Are rights natural? Or b. products of society/government?

a1. If rights are natural, do they only apply to humans?

a1a. Why do they only apply to humans?

a2. How can rights be natural if life isn't a necessary condition for the universe to exist (meaning if all life were to cease to exist, the universe would still be here)?

Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)20:53 No. 12861 ID: 9c7863

Hobbes was often right for the wrong reasons.

>Are rights natural?
No--it's empirically clear that rights of humans and any other animal are a social construct, and any attribution of rights from a higher power or moral/philosophical dogma are myths that humans have constructed.

What is natural, anyway? Hobbes didn't know shit about the natural world--he thought everything that wasn't Europe in his time was a barbaric and primitive butthole because they didn't worship his god, even though there were many times and places in the world in history, like the Persian empire and several Chinese dynasties that were arguably more liberal and better to live in than Enlightenment Europe.

This doesn't mean that the myth of natural rights isn't an important one to have--it's what keeps us from getting our shit kicked (at least too much) by richer or more powerful people and forces. Natural rights keep children from working in factories or being child-soldiers, and natural rights let us eat/drink/fuck/smoke whatever we want as long as nobody else gets hurt. Whether rights are a product of society or god is not terribly important compared to the providential usefulness of having rights so we can discuss these things.

Tl;dr: Rights are human constructed myths, like god, money, chastity, capitalism, communism, and familial bonds. But like all of those other myths, a great importance has to be placed upon it because we have a vested interest in perpetuating at least dimensions of many myths to prosper as people.

Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)01:27 No. 12881 ID: 946ad3

I might be wrong, but your phrasing could play on an ambiguity in the concept of right, and confuse a concept of naturalism with naturalistic absolutism.

Love Lost Soul 16/02/19(Fri)20:05 No. 12441 ID: 048704 [Reply]

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Does love exist if we take away the innate, animal desire to breed?

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Anonymous 17/03/02(Thu)20:40 No. 12841 ID: 54ff7b

Yes. From Plato's Symposium, one of the most wonderful works on love in philosophy:

“‘Briefly then,’ said she, ‘love loves the good to be one's own for ever.’

“‘That is the very truth,’ I said.

“‘Now if love is always for this,’ she proceeded, ‘what is the method of those who pursue it, and what is the behavior whose eagerness and straining are to be termed love? What actually is this effort? Can you tell me?’
“‘Ah, Diotima,’ I said; ‘in that case I should hardly be admiring you and your wisdom, and sitting at your feet to be enlightened on just these questions.’

“‘Well, I will tell you,’ said she; ‘it is begetting on a beautiful thing by means of both the body and the soul.’

“‘It wants some divination to make out what you mean,’ I said; ‘I do not understand.’

“‘Let me put it more clearly,’ she said. ‘All men are pregnant, Socrates, both in body and in soul: on reaching a certain age our nature yearns to beget. This it cannot do upon an ugly person, but only on the beautiful: the conjunction of man and woman is a begetting for both.1 It is a divine affair, this engendering and bringing to birth, an immortal element in the creature that is mortal; and it cannot occur in the discordant.
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Anonymous 17/04/02(Sun)12:58 No. 12872 ID: ff57a9

Yes. You could go to a sexy sexy hair salon

Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)01:13 No. 12878 ID: 946ad3

It is valuable and fruitful to speak about it, and there can be given internal grounds for the introduction of the concept, relative to the linguistic framework of everyday, or common language. Hence it is justified.

Which is the alarmingly uninteresting stand point.

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