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Rights for artificial intelligence Anonymous 17/04/05(Wed)22:38 No. 12886 ID: 9905f3 [Reply]

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Awareness seems to me a pretty good indicator of value: the more aware a being is of its surroundings and its own condition, the more valuable it is. Therefore, humans are more valuable than apes, which are more valuable than ants, which are more valuable than rocks.
But this creates a dilemma: will Artificial Intelligence systems ever be considered "conscious" enough to be valuable? Let's picture our society in over a century, for example. Would computer programs ever be considered conscious enough to become a part of society? Or would they just be expendable programs with no value?

Anonymous 17/04/07(Fri)03:01 No. 12887 ID: 45fe5e

Scarcity is also an indicator of value. Unless someone finds a way to artificially enforce scarcity for AIs, there will be no limit to how many times their software can be duplicated, making them worthless in terms of scarcity. Despite their awareness, they will have no value because they are not scarce.

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:45 No. 12900 ID: 4515bc

i mean if you are just talking about just development of science where artificial intelligence where they are below us the mehhh.....but if they ever break Asimov 3 laws of robotics its a whole nother story possible world war 3 and there are gonna be some dumbasses who say that robots are also organisms and need to live freely heck you see this shit right now with the cancer o feminism and sjws and hence either a new race gets created or world or 3.all i am saying is dont play god you will play the price especially if you program emotions inside them

can pi be taken as a particular galaxy blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:24 No. 12896 ID: 4515bc [Reply]

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so i have a sort of philosophy that knowing details as the oldest grass to exist in the world and the population of the first existing dinosaurs may lead to unlocking infinity as in we can take it as a specific sort of factor as in how we see Avogadro number and such since scientist believe that the universe exapnds at what seems to be 68km per sec would it be possible if this equation which is infinity=68xmc2 as in x represting the actual diamter length whatever you may wanna call it as a standard unit

basically i made a law called the law of infinite which states that anything that goes faster than speed of which infinity increases gives infinity a value.as in just suppose you are counting 1,2,3,4 slowly if a count tell ten the infinte numbers which u were supposed to count has values now as in 5,6,7,8

while the equation wont certainly give as knowledge of the whole universe we can know the exact required of speed needed which may be distance by time whatever you call it to discover the end of infinity.i know this may not be plausible but i need your guys thoughts on it

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:32 No. 12897 ID: 4515bc

the x refers to the diameter that can be squared perfectly as pi sorry my bad didnt write it properly

blue 17/04/18(Tue)21:33 No. 12898 ID: 4515bc

goaddmait mistake again i mean the diamter of the galaxy that squares with pi as i believe pi is sort of like a mathematical key in this equation

Anonymous 16/11/19(Sat)08:23 No. 12719 ID: 2ff195 [Reply]

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Anyone have an opinion on anything? I'm feeling sophisticated.

Anonymous 16/11/26(Sat)03:14 No. 12725 ID: 1e1b4e

i feel that since no one has the cosmic authority to tell you what reality is. You can can go to the grave believing any idea you want and it can be 100% real.

Anonymous 17/02/27(Mon)10:38 No. 12837 ID: cecc58

I believe the value of the human ideological structure will exponentially drop until the entire mass is seen as one collective. When there weren't many of us, ancient mythologies held much power over our souls. Now you can make a religion on a Saturday and find that it's quite profitable.

I believe time just outside of our narrow peripherals is growing more dense. More things can and are all happening with each passing moment, though our perception remains unchanged. When time collapses on itself, what happens to the material world?

Anonymous 17/04/12(Wed)09:11 No. 12893 ID: 51e6eb

The meaning of life is politics.
Putting your eggs in one basket is common.
Glenn Beck is the biggest con artist of the decade.

Rights Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)10:09 No. 12857 ID: bfae6f [Reply]

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a. Are rights natural? Or b. products of society/government?

a1. If rights are natural, do they only apply to humans?

a1a. Why do they only apply to humans?

a2. How can rights be natural if life isn't a necessary condition for the universe to exist (meaning if all life were to cease to exist, the universe would still be here)?

Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)20:53 No. 12861 ID: 9c7863

Hobbes was often right for the wrong reasons.

>Are rights natural?
No--it's empirically clear that rights of humans and any other animal are a social construct, and any attribution of rights from a higher power or moral/philosophical dogma are myths that humans have constructed.

What is natural, anyway? Hobbes didn't know shit about the natural world--he thought everything that wasn't Europe in his time was a barbaric and primitive butthole because they didn't worship his god, even though there were many times and places in the world in history, like the Persian empire and several Chinese dynasties that were arguably more liberal and better to live in than Enlightenment Europe.

This doesn't mean that the myth of natural rights isn't an important one to have--it's what keeps us from getting our shit kicked (at least too much) by richer or more powerful people and forces. Natural rights keep children from working in factories or being child-soldiers, and natural rights let us eat/drink/fuck/smoke whatever we want as long as nobody else gets hurt. Whether rights are a product of society or god is not terribly important compared to the providential usefulness of having rights so we can discuss these things.

Tl;dr: Rights are human constructed myths, like god, money, chastity, capitalism, communism, and familial bonds. But like all of those other myths, a great importance has to be placed upon it because we have a vested interest in perpetuating at least dimensions of many myths to prosper as people.

Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)01:27 No. 12881 ID: 946ad3

I might be wrong, but your phrasing could play on an ambiguity in the concept of right, and confuse a concept of naturalism with naturalistic absolutism.

Love Lost Soul 16/02/19(Fri)20:05 No. 12441 ID: 048704 [Reply]

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Does love exist if we take away the innate, animal desire to breed?

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Anonymous 17/03/02(Thu)20:40 No. 12841 ID: 54ff7b

Yes. From Plato's Symposium, one of the most wonderful works on love in philosophy:

“‘Briefly then,’ said she, ‘love loves the good to be one's own for ever.’

“‘That is the very truth,’ I said.

“‘Now if love is always for this,’ she proceeded, ‘what is the method of those who pursue it, and what is the behavior whose eagerness and straining are to be termed love? What actually is this effort? Can you tell me?’
“‘Ah, Diotima,’ I said; ‘in that case I should hardly be admiring you and your wisdom, and sitting at your feet to be enlightened on just these questions.’

“‘Well, I will tell you,’ said she; ‘it is begetting on a beautiful thing by means of both the body and the soul.’

“‘It wants some divination to make out what you mean,’ I said; ‘I do not understand.’

“‘Let me put it more clearly,’ she said. ‘All men are pregnant, Socrates, both in body and in soul: on reaching a certain age our nature yearns to beget. This it cannot do upon an ugly person, but only on the beautiful: the conjunction of man and woman is a begetting for both.1 It is a divine affair, this engendering and bringing to birth, an immortal element in the creature that is mortal; and it cannot occur in the discordant.
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Anonymous 17/04/02(Sun)12:58 No. 12872 ID: ff57a9

Yes. You could go to a sexy sexy hair salon

Anonymous 17/04/04(Tue)01:13 No. 12878 ID: 946ad3

It is valuable and fruitful to speak about it, and there can be given internal grounds for the introduction of the concept, relative to the linguistic framework of everyday, or common language. Hence it is justified.

Which is the alarmingly uninteresting stand point.

Black Bible Raine Ashford 17/04/02(Sun)15:38 No. 12873 ID: d2dd7b [Reply]

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Preference vs Classical Utilitarianism? Anonymous 16/03/06(Sun)11:33 No. 12455 ID: c988f8 [Reply]

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Any scenario where the two would give different advice as to what is morally correct?

Anonymous 17/03/02(Thu)21:07 No. 12842 ID: 54ff7b


Classical utilitarianism says to maximize pleasure; preference utilitarianism says to maximize preference satisfaction. But someone's preferences can be satisfied without their knowing it, and they might prefer an outcome they know will be much less pleasant than some alternative.

For example, a dying writer might prefer to spend his last days finishing his novel, though this will mean forgoing morphine in order to think clearly. All things being equal, the preference utilitarian will say that I ought to help the writer finish, though the classical utilitarian may say that I ought to give him the morphine.

Anonymous 17/03/07(Tue)19:56 No. 12844 ID: 68162d

And the literal utilitarian will say How much does he like morphine?

Anonymous 15/03/21(Sat)00:47 No. 12097 ID: 1df3c1 [Reply]

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Do you, my fellow philosophers, think suicide and anorexia are a result of north american consumerism and the culture of always wanting to be better, or are just diseases that people are born with?

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Anonymous 16/06/13(Mon)08:58 No. 12593 ID: e13cdc


Why don't pessimist just fucking kill themselves

solving overpopulation, their own "problem," and making the world a more tolerable place with one fell swoop

Anonymous 17/02/08(Wed)11:49 No. 12815 ID: 976d0d

I think that this could be tied to Ulrich Beck's idea of a risk society. In that people have (near) completely wiped out the idea of natural disasters such as earthquakes and tsunamis by means of technology. And in this we have created new risks for ourselves such as obesity as an epidemic, or diseases becoming immune to vaccines and evolving to a level that could kill millions. These risks, to quote Ben Wisner, these risks involve "incalculable horrors with unknown statistical probability". These sort of attribute to a sort of society that constantly has dangers looming in the back of one's mind at all times. And I believe this affects it. Along with many of the things that others had said including consumerism.

Anonymous 17/02/12(Sun)05:05 No. 12816 ID: b7b1ba

I think you're thinking in a very curious manner. Suicide is not news, nor an american invention, nor a disease, and vaguely if at all linked to anorexia. Ending one's life at a given point where there's no reason for continuing with it is more of a privilege than a desperate move.
And no, anorexia is not something you're born with, it's a product of the development of the individual in a certain social and cultural environment.

sage 17/01/12(Thu)06:52 No. 12785 ID: 66a496 [Reply]

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Are video games (and probably TV) viable only because we live in a post-existential age where, for most, seeking to escape reality is not only feasible, but accepted and constantly improved upon vis a vis VR, better graphics, and widespread glorification of more and more extreme forms of excitement/violence in our media?

Anonymous 17/01/12(Thu)07:34 No. 12786 ID: ca3ceb

Entertainment existed since we lived in caves yo.

Anonymous 17/01/22(Sun)03:43 No. 12794 ID: ed8b6e

Video games are, for most people, a means for people to regain control over lives, even if it's virtual.

Anonymous 17/01/25(Wed)09:02 No. 12802 ID: ca3ceb

Pff. You're gonna have to explain that one.

If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, I'm just gonna have to remind you of Tetris.

Deism is the only belief that makes sense. Anonymous 16/12/09(Fri)15:07 No. 12747 ID: 57a468 [Reply]

Now, why would a supreme being like God even care about a bunch of stupid apes like us?

He is probably just programmer who made our universe as a test simulation and eventually abandon the project.

Evolution is merely just a function in the code of the universe. God didn't create us as he only wrote the function and the code did the rest of the work. So why would he care about some primates who became capable of recognizing his existence?

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Anonymous 17/01/18(Wed)14:08 No. 12791 ID: 084328

My mum has the idea that because god is so great he has the capacity to love everyone individually, thats how great he is.

pretty interesting if you think about it

Anonymous 17/01/21(Sat)20:14 No. 12793 ID: 47863f

Maybe He Cares because we are Part of his Energie and connected to him..
Half animal, half god.

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