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Can Christians study Bushido Code/Zen/Musashi's 21 principles Anonymous 18/07/29(Sun)04:58 No. 13576 ID: 7e9ea9 [Reply]

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Hay anons

I am of the Christian faith, but my weeb self also loves Japan so much that I decided to start looking into bushido code. The other day I came across "Miyamoto Musashi's" 21 principles for life. I am worried about reading these principles because i read that they are heavily derived from daoism. As a Christian should i not be reading these? I've read that it is okay for christians to read different philsophies, but i feel like a philosophy heavily rooted in another religion is treading on dangerous territory. maybe i am overthinking this?

Miyamoto Musashi is suppose to be the most famous samurai of all time so i thought it'd be cool to read and try to start considering his principles.

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Anonymous 18/07/29(Sun)09:16 No. 13578 ID: 7e9ea9

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I did not know Zen was compatible with most religions.

That's true, I could just replace Buddha with God.

There is one principle that talks about following "The Way". I like to replace "Way" with "God's Plan".

Over the years I've felt too that the scriptures were subject to interpretation.

This was a relieving response thank you.

Anonymous 18/07/30(Mon)20:40 No. 13585 ID: 0f52f2

It's not wildly unreasonable to predict that choosing to live by a warrior code may lead to studying a martial art in order to more directly experience what it's like to put those principles and virtues into practice. A few places even market some kinds of Christian martial arts. In theory, it sounds like just the thing for you. In practice, however, the execution seems to lean toward performing cheesy choreography in front of a slide show with random scripture quotes rather than learning anything spiritual or philosophical. It's the same negative feeling as I get with the genre of contemporary Christian worship music, which is notorious for its reputation of only providing the blandest, mass-market version of both rock music and Christian belief.

Just keep that in mind when you research these things. You'd quickly become disillusioned with anyone trying to half-ass Musashi's words, let alone Jesus'.

Anonymous 18/07/31(Tue)05:48 No. 13587 ID: b7f622

>Christian faith
>bushido code
Why do christfags think every philosophy that isn't derived from the bible somehow conflicts with their religious dogma?

Do you see how your narrow-minded religion undermines your capacity for free thought and potential as a human being?

Objective Reality Anonymous 18/07/19(Thu)08:19 No. 13565 ID: 83c4c7 [Reply]

It's ironic how we experience sentience yet are fully limited by it. As 3 dimensional beings, what we know about this dimension; our own surroundings is sadly minuscule. We fail to conceive our perception of reality and also fail to accept it.

Anonymous 18/07/20(Fri)22:39 No. 13569 ID: f6c591

would you care to elborate?

Anonymous 18/07/22(Sun)02:02 No. 13571 ID: 0f52f2

We don't know how much we can't perceive...or how little we can't perceive. That can go either way.

Anonymous 18/07/23(Mon)04:28 No. 13573 ID: 6d076d

Do you see sentience as the 'product' or a 'byproduct'?

I think sentience is a byproduct, it is just something that is left over. having a complex mind/brain was advantageous to solving problems like "How am I going to stay dry" or "How do I find that deer" in a time where survival was the only goal. So when we are finally dry and fed we start constructing new problems/questions. What is, why is, how is... and so on. it is a mess, a storm of thought. So like all waste byproducts (lactic acid comes is my immediate example) we eject it, or cap it or what ever verb you'd like to use. we simply stop putting in the energy becuase the danger of an over load.

Now with that out the way I think some of us can have greater perception and see reality for what it is, at least briefly. [what I typed so far is based off my conclusions from written works from J Campbell, Kant, and Jung mashed up now I'm just pulling stuff out my ass]. I think if we passively think about thenature of the universe through things such as mathematics and arts we dip into some truth. but I think it can cause a build up and over load. Great and creative minds seem to be driven to madness more often then most and I think its from the overload.

TL;DR active thought of our perception of reality or inhibited, passive thoughts are not inhibited.

The cold indifference of the universe Anonymous 16/12/28(Wed)00:09 No. 12765 ID: 84060f [Reply]

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I do not necessarily have a fear of death. I actually sometimes think it would be cool to just not exist anymore and have nothing to worry about. It's still scary, but in comparison to what has begun to plague my thoughts it's nothing.

Anxiety has made me go through a lot. I used to be comfortable in my body and familiar with it. I felt happy, safe, and at home. After all the mental pain, intense stomach-crushing fear, I am left with an unsettling feeling about everything. I feel like I am a prisoner of reality. This universe summoned my consciousness here, with no choice on my part as far as I'm aware, to live this life, during which I have had to deal with these intense and horrible sensations.

The fact that there was nothing I could do about it, that there is no one to help, that the only thing I can reach out to is other monkeys in clothes who are also trapped in their own minds (though it's probably a better place in there), is incredibly isolating.

I have felt a pure, raw fear of death and eternity. I am no longer confident in reality. I am disturbed by its existence. I have no idea how I lived so long without thinking much of it.

The fact that it's probably possible that a few million years from now a group of aliens summons my consciousness again and induces torture and pain for thousands of years with no rest, and the universe just wouldn't care in its indifferent coldness, is terrifying. I'm scared of reality in that way. The fact that every horrible nightmare we can come up with could happen someday, and there is just no way to know.

This all feels very surreal. I feel uncomfortable being a brain. I can't trust my body not to get sick and give me a slow and painful or fast and even more painful death.

What is going on? Where are all the cameras?

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Anonymous 18/05/27(Sun)05:16 No. 13544 ID: 457ed7

That should be carved into stone tablets.

op just love everything, take refuge in love, love destroys fear

Anonymous 18/06/24(Sun)20:55 No. 13557 ID: 270056

haha "Man up ,Pussy"

OH NO YOU DIDN&!FZj8obGww6 18/07/08(Sun)23:58 No. 13562 ID: 828d07

>>> Existing in a state of temporarily without a G.F. Girl i love is gone. Huge family, weird world... Haven't seen the same girl since. Utter B.S. Love her, gone, oh well. Swear i saw her working at Pentonville. . After getting molester ed, World of B.S.

The most important advice i can give DotAddicts+Anonimus 17/12/27(Wed)15:49 No. 13401 ID: aeb2d6 [Reply]

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Learned from experience.... terrible ones, people were just not meant to live together.

Never, ever ever ever, pursue a relationship. It is never worth it.

Hire a prostitute but dont pretend its more than that.

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Anonymous 18/03/18(Sun)18:59 No. 13460 ID: 104e35

Love, from what I've read, is a biological construct meant to last 2 years (although I suppose the time could be greater or less), meant to last long enough for the father to gather resources for his mate. There is, however, in my mind, a transcendental love, one like agape. Agape doesn't really depend on external constructs for its existence. It's unconditional.

Anonymous 18/04/05(Thu)01:47 No. 13485 ID: e06367

I spent years going through terrible relationship after terrible relationship.

Then I decided that I'd just do casual dating and sex when I could, but maybe would try a relationship again if I happened to date someone who ended up being really compatible.

After about a year of this, I was just bored of it, so I resigned myself to not being intimate with women. I don't know if I just sucked at relationships, or if women were just generally not worth being around.

Met a woman. We were friends for about a year. I had no intention of anything else. Then I realized I had serious feelings for her. I put it out there, and she felt the same.

We've been together for about a decade. Best years of my life, by far. Great sex, she's a great mom, strong loyalty, kind-hearted, funny, clever, attractive.

Sometimes it works out.

FuckStickFunFuck 18/06/21(Thu)11:57 No. 13553 ID: 0249b6

take it easy // LOVE NOTHING

Selfish and speciesist behavior as 'genetic reproductive strategy Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)07:35 No. 13093 ID: d5439c [Reply]

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Here's a spicy one. It's pretty simple too. Maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Anyway, enjoy.


If a human does something to seriously harm and deprive fellow humans, or even something to seriously harm and deprive other species (for example, making them go extinct), is this poor and unintelligent 'genetic reproductive strategy'?

For example, let's just make some random, kind of exaggerated scenarios.

In scenario 1.) Elon Musk finds a way to reproduce by budding. The police try to stop him, so he is left with their choice to either surrender, or destroy Earth and create a self-sustaining colony on Mars. So, out of supposed good 'genetic reproductive strategy,' he goes through with the latter option. Sure, he succeeded in propagating his unique DNA more than otherwise, but he also destroyed the all species on Earth, one of which was carrying 99% DNA similar to him (humanity).

Another scenario, 2.) humanity finds a cure for cancer, but it involves killing all of the other primates. Humanity goes through with the plan, and all other primates are dead. Humanity helped itself thrive and prosper more by eliminating cancer, but what about the fact that many of those primates contained 95% similar DNA to humans? Humans succeeded in propagating the DNA that is unique to humans over the other primates, but they also hurt biodiversity and made it so that there will be no remaining primates if humans go extinct.

So is speciesist and extremely selfish strategy really beneficial 'genetic reproductive strategy'? Is it not better in terms of genetic propagation to focus on maintaining the biosphere and prolonging human existence, or is that unique DNA so much more important than the DNA in common?

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Anonymous 17/09/03(Sun)06:18 No. 13104 ID: d5439c

and another poster:

You are assuming that genes make long term decisions and try to determine the outcome of their strategies.

It is really just a bunch of programmed behaviors that happen to succeed or fail based on the environment.

"Kill wolves and eat those fuckers" works until there aren't any wolves left.

Then some other strategy works better. "Cannibal everyone and eat their brains."

Until a disease kills cannibals and not non-cannibals.

On and on and on in the circle of life.

Anonymous 18/05/13(Sun)19:48 No. 13524 ID: 04954d

Nature ((programmed)) itself so that one can never have too many good things - after a while, the good things must come to an end ; either due to a lack of resources or limited quantity and or some sort of malady/sickness/termination/expiration

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:36 No. 13534 ID: 1e4c65

Not in the scenarios you propose.
But killing off a species that was harming the biosystem in some way — that I would say was good.

Rights Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)10:09 No. 12857 ID: bfae6f [Reply]

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a. Are rights natural? Or b. products of society/government?

a1. If rights are natural, do they only apply to humans?

a1a. Why do they only apply to humans?

a2. How can rights be natural if life isn't a necessary condition for the universe to exist (meaning if all life were to cease to exist, the universe would still be here)?

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Anonymous 18/04/17(Tue)14:43 No. 13499 ID: 4e144d

What does "natural" mean for you in this case ?

Anonymous 18/04/29(Sun)09:25 No. 13507 ID: 86b897


>familial bonds

Wrong. Read the literature on family bonds

Anonymous 18/05/01(Tue)00:06 No. 13511 ID: 1bbee6

I'm a Calvinist so, no we don't have any rights unless you are one of the chosen people, which you probably aren't.

Anonymous 18/04/11(Wed)03:33 No. 13491 ID: 389733 [Reply]

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what is Immanuel Kant's position on the right to rebel?

Anonymous 18/04/16(Mon)08:44 No. 13497 ID: 4089f6

probably just as wacky as his position that jacking off is worse than suicide

Anonymous 17/11/13(Mon)23:36 No. 13307 ID: ea535a [Reply]

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No single person in significance in all history is noteworthy enough. I'm fucking done. I hate you and I never thought I would hate anyone.

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Anonymous 17/11/23(Thu)04:04 No. 13315 ID: 68c3a8


you came from Tumblr?

Anonymous 18/04/14(Sat)17:27 No. 13496 ID: 4e144d


Anonymous 18/05/01(Tue)00:10 No. 13513 ID: 1bbee6

you sound bitter

do /phi/ even logic? Anonymous 16/10/31(Mon)07:59 No. 12694 ID: 82c3eb [Reply]

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Solve it

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Anonymous 18/04/07(Sat)06:37 No. 13487 ID: f5c31c

==3== seems the most likely to me

Anonymous 18/04/10(Tue)04:16 No. 13490 ID: 5c8c98

how about 3,4 or 5 small triangles fff

Anonymous 18/04/13(Fri)19:41 No. 13495 ID: 3e2951

First column is subtraction, second is addition, betting third is multiplication, so 1.

Does anyone deserve anything? Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)23:41 No. 13255 ID: a24704 [Reply]

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Do you think people inherently deserve things just for existing?

What I believe:
That you exist doesn't mean I have to buy you a cake or do anything else for you. A favour is a privilege not a right.

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Anonymous 18/03/29(Thu)05:49 No. 13476 ID: 9d4072

What if there is no god or heaven or hell because the devils are all here?

Anonymous 18/05/24(Thu)22:18 No. 13540 ID: 3cf4d5

As >>13325, here is my justification ( although there is already one in my post ) :

- one way to see it is by following Marcus Aurelius's thought : humans make a big family and as such, are made to cooperate with each other ( due to the fact that every human is the same, compared to animals )

- another justification is based on the idea of society, we accept to live together because we want protection against danger, thievery ... , the protection relying on the social link between people, therefore being generous and respectful helps maintain that link and indirectly protect us - being selfish means drawing yourself slightly off society, risking danger)

Anonymous 18/05/24(Thu)22:20 No. 13541 ID: 3cf4d5

In english ?

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