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Anonymous 12/10/10(Wed)22:43 No. 8576 ID: c19674 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
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From: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Evolution-is-Suicide/312453755470916

Further evolution of the human race could at some point lead to a kind of self-extinction(suicide) of our species, and here's why and how:
Everything we do in our life is to feel pleasant chemical reactions, and/or avoid non-pleasant ones. A typical life involves, having friends, playing games like sports and video games, watching/reading/hearing/telling stories, having sexual relations, going to school, getting a job, getting married, working at something you enjoy (hobby or job). All of these activities are for one thing and one thing only. To feel pleasant chemical reactions. Often the pleasant chemical reaction is felt during the activity or event, while other times the activity is engaged in for the hope that engaging in the activity will allow one to experience pleasant chemical reactions at some later point in the future (school for example). Simply put, these activities somehow trigger certain things to fire(or not fire) in our brain, which makes us feel good.

We now have various drugs that can change one's moods, feelings and behaviors by triggering certain things to fire(or not fire) in our brains. They are not completely effective or even fully understood, but there are quite a number of people who they have worked very well on. For example, people being depressed, and after taking a certain drug, are no longer depressed. Same for some people with problems like anxiety, fatigue, concentration, physical pain, and more. So, if one takes a optimistic view of the development of drugs, eventually there could be drugs to put you in whatever mood you want, and behave in pretty much whatever way you want[1].

Aligned with the development of drugs, is the development of computer and robotic technology. We currently are becoming more and more able to get pleasant chemical reactions (and/or avoid unpleasant ones) by using technology. Video games allow us to feel a rush of excitement while sitting on a couch, that before we had to go out and physically do something to get the same rush. Sexual gratification using technology is becoming more and more common. First printed materials, then toys, dolls, and digital media, have elevated one's ability to have a satisfying sexual experience without the use of a partner. The development of computer technology has also allowed to interact with simulated characters and places which are becoming more and more realistic. Again taking an optimistic outlook on the development of such technology, it could change the activities that we do in "real" life. For example, one could go into a simulation that seemed practically the same as the real world, and could choose certain lives to live, and how one looked, and could go back and relive it if one wanted to do things differently or change thi Message too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Anonymous 13/01/07(Mon)03:25 No. 9281 ID: ffaf27

>>9271
I had actually started doing that in my reply, but then I asked myself "if you've answered these questions once before only to have your responses ignored, what good would repeating yourself do?"


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Anonymous 13/01/07(Mon)15:46 No. 9282 ID: d21b99

>>9281
You can't do a simple copy paste to prove your claims, but yet you have no problem repeatedly typing out responses about why you chose to stop arguing. You're full of shit. You never answered the questions.


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Anonymous 13/01/13(Sun)04:30 No. 9321 ID: 9624a1
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Thought this was funny:
IBM forced to wipe hard drive after machine downloaded Urban Dictionary.
The gameshow winning supercomputer, Watson, couldn’t stop saying ‘bullshit'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2260784/IBM-wipes-supercomputers-hard-drives-bid-stop-potty-mouthed-machine-uttering-obscenities.html




Anonymous 13/01/08(Tue)00:45 No. 9289 ID: 0afd63 [Reply]
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New here so not sure where to go. Here's the thing: I am attracted to young boys. As young as 4. Now besides the obvious where i dont want to be this way herp derp, I want to be in a gay relationship. One that is my own age and someone I ccan be with forever. Is there a chance of that? and is anyone in my situation?


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sage 13/01/08(Tue)02:03 No. 9291 ID: ed1ecb

Probably more suited for /b/ to be honest, but I can't speak for what the mods want.

Can't really relate/give advice other than I want to be in a straight relationship with someone I can be with forever, but most females under the age of 26 are stupid. I'm assuming you're containing any urges pretty well, closest I could relate to is jailbait but I just stray away from that by reminding myself that getting my ass pounded in prison is not worth it at any cost.

Good luck to ya mate.


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Anonymous 13/01/11(Fri)07:40 No. 9313 ID: 167fa0

This seems more personal than a philosophical kind of discussion but I'd feel bad if I didn't respond to this considering I like little girls and I can relate to you a bit.

I don't quite understand your question though, what does being attracted to young boys have to do with dating someone your age?

If they really love you they can listen to you and how you feel without letting it get in the way of your relationship, you probably know that already though.

But I hope you can love someone your age and be happy with them, I really do. I no longer feel capable of love since I'm emotionally attracted to young girls and I never see any, it's a dead feeling. So keep it fresh while you can.

And mods, I'm sorry for breaking the rules and getting off topic with this post but if you ban me then so be it. I just really felt the need to reply to this since he doesn't seem to be getting much support.

I'll try not to drag this out too much, peace. Take it easy.


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Anonymous 13/01/13(Sun)11:13 No. 9326 ID: c85cca

do you have monotonous sexual attraction?




Debate Anonymous 13/01/07(Mon)23:45 No. 9286 ID: 645302 [Reply]
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Pedosexuality is the new Homosexuality.

For every argument supporting Homosexuality, it can be altered into supporting Pedosexuality.

The Pope himself has declared that Pedosexuality is the norm, since the 70's. If someone so high and mighty were to declare something as low as 'loving another human' then there should be little hostility.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pope-benedict-declares-pedophilia-was-n

Before you comment, please watch this video if you feel the need to act like Creationists.

This video highlights main arguments against.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s9nP81Waps&lc=0kpQ4_KktG_0N_6PUr_JKbHCYHiTqJwK0DrfezSJOtY&lcor=1&feature=em-comment_received&lch=email


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Anonymous 13/01/09(Wed)11:41 No. 9302 ID: e324be

Pedophile means child lover. Most sexual abuse done to children is done by heterophiles. Children have had active sexual lives since forever. Pedosexuality is a stupid word. Pedophiles should move to promote love and caring for children in opposition to the retardation of children carried out by hetero-normative society at large. Sexuality plays a part in this, but making it the sole focus of a pedophile movement is unhelpful to everyone except the power hungry patriarchal heterophile predators that would undoubtedly usurp any such movement. This is more /pol/ than /phi/ though.


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Anonymous 13/01/11(Fri)07:23 No. 9311 ID: 167fa0

Good thread. I appreciate the open-mindedness here but I shouldn't even be surprised considering this is /phi/ but still.

One thing I think is funny is how modern society adds extra baggage to sex. The general backup argument to choosing sex with a child is "You're psychologically harming them!" even though the only thing that harms the child is the emotional baggage that society puts on sex.

"It's not just a penis going in a vagina!"
Yes it is. It's whatever you make of it. It can be anything. You can't define such a thing.

Also:
Let's say young 15-year-old Mindy has sex with a hot football playing 16-year-old boy and then he dumps her and she had strings attached and is emotionally hurt by it.
Nobody gives a flying fuck about Mindy, so why do they put so much attention on the 9-year-old who is "psychologically damaged".

Because we're grown to have some stupid psychological "number of sex" that determines whether you are capable of being hurt or not. It's fucking bloody nonsense.

P.S. I'm pedo and proud. Well, come to think of it... I'm not really proud for being born a certain way, but I'm certainly not a self-degrading moronic asshole!


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Anonymous 13/01/11(Fri)07:29 No. 9312 ID: 167fa0

>>9295
Just read your last paragraph and oh man, I love your examples. I can't agree anymore, man. It's so difficult to define whether something is sexual or not, it's ridiculous. I really wonder when people will drop this nonsense let alone fucking REALIZE it!




Anonymous 12/08/18(Sat)07:10 No. 8206 ID: 379695 [Reply]
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How come I'm here being me, and you're over there being you?


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Anonymous 13/01/08(Tue)00:22 No. 9288 ID: 79d2f8

>>8302
>>8854
>>8860
The problem is you can't truly prove that the chair exists. You can never completely prove anything, because we might be in a world like the matrix, where everything you experience is an illusion. You could be a brain in a tub, experiencing stimulation from electrodes, or a part of a large computer simulation, or a small organism tripping really hard. The only thing you can prove is that you exist, "I think therefore I am".

Seems a bit off topic though.


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Anonymous 13/01/09(Wed)19:19 No. 9305 ID: d75447

>>9288
I get your point. However, lets assume you were to prove the professor didn't exist. Can you (according to your logic) prove he doesn't exist while the professor himself can say "I think and therefor I am"? I mean, you don't think FOR the professor, which means he doesn't exist for you but does for himself.


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Anonymous 13/01/10(Thu)00:04 No. 9306 ID: c51615

I have been asking that question a lot to myself, OP.

When I was little, I sometimes used to think that everyone, except me, was a robot, or that I was in a simulation controlled by unknown beings. Because the idea of someone else having their own experiences and perspectives of life was just.. Weird.




Animal rights Anonymous 13/01/09(Wed)11:25 No. 9301 ID: c46b5e [Reply]
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What are your thoughts on animal rights?

I'm from the netherlands and when i was reading the newspaper this morning, there was an article about a guy who was fined because his 14 year old dog, which he loved and cared for all those years, had fleas and a rash, and was just generally an old ugly dog.

The judge actually said he was denying health care for his dog because he didn't go to a vet, and that he should be fined for that. I think this is just strange, since it's a dog, not a human. Maybe i should just leave this hippy, tree hugging country and move somewhere else?


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Anonymous 13/01/09(Wed)12:28 No. 9303 ID: f51b04

Think about it for a minute. You live in a country where politicians and law enforcement have taken the time to think about animal rights and how to enforce them. They have not done that in the stead of human rights, but rather in addition to.

Be glad you live in such an enormously wealthy country.


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Anonymous 13/01/09(Wed)12:59 No. 9304 ID: c9a53e

Whether I agree with this judge depends on the severity of the fine. Overkill would be pretty easy in this situation.

That said, suffering is suffering, human or animal. Please never own pets.




Help! Anonymous 13/01/08(Tue)03:06 No. 9292 ID: d5ae0c [Reply]
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Hey /phi/ I have a research paper for my philosophy class and I need some help looking for good resources for Fried Heinrich Javobi's views on the existence of God. It would be really awesome if someone could help me out.


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Anonymous 13/01/08(Tue)03:08 No. 9293 ID: d5ae0c

*>>9292
Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi




Social savant 12/12/24(Mon)17:33 No. 9157 ID: 177ae6 [Reply]
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what do you call it/someone when they use phrases like 'you're making assumptions', or 'your projections', when it simply doesn't make sense. I feel like they must have been told this to something they did once, and instead of learning the underlying mechanism for mistakes in their rhethoric they've restorted to adopting it as a pseudo-rationalist defence mechanism. It's very frustrating to hear, and have to explain how what they have said is a non-sequetior, usually having to repeat both what I have been saying, and it's logical flow, then refering to their challenge and asking for them to explain, to which they usually deviate from the point, but when I finally bring it back, they move on to some other stupid phrase they've heard. They are usually the same kind of people that justify crap with nice sounding quotes. What can I do in these situations, without having to just wait on them to exhaust their arsenal explaining why each is stupid. I know I have to beat them on their own, however philosophically illegitimate terms, to teach them (and not be bothered by their stupidity in future cooperative endeavors). That means, I need some nice little snappy, and persuasive quote I can chuck out at them in response. Surely there is one, or some kind of rhetorical trump card that also doesn't make me look like an asshat and preferable, doesn't alienate me from any potential actually intelligence but socially competent people I still hope of one day running in to in real life


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Anonymous 12/12/30(Sun)13:08 No. 9207 ID: cb9fa8
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>>9194

Then usually some goal that I seek that is conditional on their behavior is impeded or delayed.


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Anonymous 12/12/30(Sun)14:25 No. 9211 ID: ffaf27

You're clearly combative, and you're clearly emotional. Stop those things. Your response is to go on the defensive. Don't. You're just repeating yourself and getting yourself flustered. Instead, invite them to go on the offensive by asking them to explain what they mean because you, in your immense ignorance, cannot figure out your own mistake and must be led step by step through the thought processes they went through in order to come to the rejection of your idea. If you're as right as you believe yourself to be, you just have to wait until they cut themselves to pieces on their own illogical arguments. Read your Socrates.


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Anonymous 12/12/31(Mon)17:43 No. 9229 ID: 6ff548

I've never heard "projection" used correctly in a rational sense. The only time I might agree with a projection accuser is when I'm upset or angry and I assume someone else in the group is.




Anonymous 12/12/30(Sun)18:20 No. 9213 ID: cb9fa8 [Reply]
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What is CFR grace?




Parralel singularity 12/12/27(Thu)11:40 No. 9169 ID: cb9fa8 [Reply]
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How do you change someone's thinking/cognitive-heuristic(s) from relative to absolute, and vice versa. Also, what about discrete to continuous and vice versa


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Anonymous 12/12/28(Fri)10:23 No. 9183 ID: cb9fa8

>>9179

I have a pretty bad vocabulary, and even looking up those words makes it hard for me to see exactly what is wrong with cognitive perspectives, except that it 'is wrong', 'non factual' etc.

It can be tested empirically, by constructing a paradigm and testing it at different nodes - this is how all cognitive psychology is done.

It is further supported from the reverse level (anti-reductionist) by some phenomenon being mappable to cognitive neuroscience. This has yet to be achieved in non-neuroscientific hard science fields, except for those explicitly known of how it is linked to the brain, like optical phenomenon and such.

Please clarify, and thanks for answer.


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Anonymous 12/12/28(Fri)19:56 No. 9186 ID: ffaf27

>>9183
We can test these things at certain nodes, but everything can be reduced to neurons fire y/n. A discrete function. But we can enter another level of complexity within pathways and specific neurotransmitter response. The number of pathways a 'thought' can travel are theoretically infinite, which is why the relative and continuous perspectives have such a great following. However, the only tests in this area we can do are either micro or macro, the micro reducing everything to a 1/0 equation and the macro flooding in so much information that it's impossible to actually process. The micro level experimentation supporting absolute/discrete hypothesis is dismissed as being an oversimplification. Following this process to the level of complexity required to simulate an actual thought would be more time-consumptive than mapping the genome would have been twenty years ago, and less rewarding because it would have to be done countless times over to produce truly generalizable results. The macro level experimentation leads to the prevailing opinion on continuous and relative thought processes due to its obvious complexity, but the opposition claims that these seemingly continuous processes can be reduced to a chain of super-complex discrete processes.

Finally, whether human thought processes are discrete or continuous doesn't really matter in the final outcome of human thought. A complex sequence of discrete processes can be made to seem continuous, and continuous processes don't limit the mind from reasoning out discrete computations.


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Anonymous 12/12/30(Sun)13:09 No. 9208 ID: cb9fa8

>>9186
thanks, you've clarified my underlying error :)




Anonymous 12/12/30(Sun)04:38 No. 9201 ID: ce27ba [Reply]
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Does anyone know any good online resources of secondary literature on Spinoza? I know of Studia Spinozana but I can't get my hands on any of the volumes. I think I can get Volume 1 from JSTOR via my school's library, but I don't know if that resource has all the volumes. I'd be willing to cough up money if I must, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone had any bright ideas. I already have his complete works and I'm not interested in reading online encyclopedias about him, but rather the direct secondary sources themselves.




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