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Anonymous 17/10/09(Mon)23:20 No. 13221 ID: b742f0
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From a secular standpoint, can a humans be considered gods of the animals beneath them?

Pic unrelated.


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Anonymous 17/10/11(Wed)20:30 No. 13225 ID: 9fd7e5

It's easy to imagine animals viewing humans as gods in the way that peasants might view an Egyptian pharaoh or a Roman emperor declaring himself to be a living deity, especially those animals that regularly interact with humans on a daily basis.

It's more of a stretch to imagine animals viewing humans as something more abstract like Yahweh or Allah or one of those types, but not impossible if you think of an animal that receives no direct human contact but might notice their environment slowly changing around them. Your animal might get some inkling that there's a mysterious force out there beyond its control making its life needlessly aggravating, but doesn't have the frame of reference to fully appreciate what's out there working in mysterious ways.


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Anonymous 17/10/13(Fri)18:01 No. 13227 ID: 9b82d7
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I can't get over the picture.

No species capable of gestating both the music group Insane Clown Posse and their Juggalo fans should ever be described as gods under any circumstances.


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Anonymous 17/10/27(Fri)01:59 No. 13240 ID: 43ed39

>>13225
An animal is incapable of having beliefs in a deity, and if they were would probably consider it really, really stupid.

As for the OP, no more than a parent can be considered the god of their children.


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Anonymous 17/10/28(Sat)10:23 No. 13246 ID: f3be93

It's easy to mistake this as some sort of hierarchical relationship, but yes, we are the figures of God that they witness.

On the first level, God is the figure of time, he is the fitness function that drives evolution as a sequence of varying optimalities. Humans evolved from and conquered Neanderthals because the glaciers receded, and ceased to favor a stocky and cold-tolerant frame as strongly. Nimbler and perhaps slightly cleverer forms flooded back in from Africa and left the Neanderthals to increasingly remote relicts of ice by ~20000BC. This is the model relationship of one species to another, but it is interrupted by the exception of mankind, which has this additional element of sentience, of memetic swarming, this temporal sensitivity that is the direct presence of God in us.

Our species has been unusual in the way in which in has outcompeted its primate relations in the recent past, measured on the scale of a few hundred thousand years. Our species has become extraordinary in the way that it has recreated itself completely at an ever-increasing rate over the last 5000 years. These 5000 years correspond precisely to the years that writing has begun to predominate among human habits. Writing births the permanence of ideas, the faithful reproduction of particular forms of understanding and categorizing the world. Modern humans grow up as natural experts in navigating these flows of identity, riders of a long-building surf of motivations and tendencies that give form and flow to our lives.

What we forget is that this volatile cultural sea of possibilities, of self-understandings, is the literal presence of God. We change so often because we have learned to compare our ideas directly with Nature. Think of how animals have learned to live with human cities over the past 100 years. Cities expanded enormously and poisonously, bringing wild changes to that divine function of time, unpredictable variations in environments, and many animals disappeared from urban areas as a result. Just to speak of my own city though, pollution decreased somewhat in the 70s, but there has been a steady resurgence of species since then in the absence of further improvement. Some species have learned from this change in the times, and become more proficient in the modern world that humanity defines. Turkeys, eagles, foxes, river otters, a vast increase in rabbits and deer, have all returned to my city in the last 20 years. To them, the anthropocene is the defining feature of their new fitness. It is not a glaciation they are adapting to, but some strange mineralization that has spewed forth thousand-square-mile concrete spiderwebs all across the world.


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Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)06:06 No. 13251 ID: f7d505

>>13250
My TED talks drew attendance that made my opponent's godkindling event look positively SAD.


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Anonymous 17/10/31(Tue)14:37 No. 13252 ID: e38094

>>13251
>godkindling event
Sounds sad enough; are you sure it needed your help?



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