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Obsession with freedom Anonymous 20/02/09(Sun)14:55 No. 14401 ID: 7d5109

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>George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia, at the age of twenty in 1752. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebrations and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic lodges that formed within army regiments.
>Such was Washington’s character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained “a just and upright Mason.” Brother Washington was, in Masonic terms, a “living stone” who became the cornerstone of American civilization.

The American Constitution is the founding document that supposedly promotes freedom for individuals regardless of creed or religion but when you look at who wrote this document it becomes fairly obvious that all this is a mere reflection of slave owning anarchists that refused to obey others. It stipulates that people have a right to bare arms and own land but with what justification? The constitutional rights espoused in the U.S.A seem to be nothing more than the extension of self-righteous egotism that in the modern day society results in mass shootings and exploitation of other people. It's not about building a functional society, it's about protecting oneself from everything that goes against your own interests.

Anonymous 20/02/10(Mon)12:05 No. 14402 ID: 143b09

Freedom in America means hedonism. Do whatever you want and be an asshole.

Anonymous 20/02/13(Thu)09:14 No. 14403 ID: 79ab15

Here's your friendly reminder that America only came into existence because some Europeans were tired of being ruled, so left to go somewhere they could be the rulers, instead. Most other countries came into being around some kind of central culture or ethnic group indigenous to the area, but America did not. America came to be because some people wanted to be assholes and their country wouldn't let them, so they found some nice indigenous folks and killed them and took their land and installed themselves as leaders over all of them, plus slaves and poor whites and anyone else.

Anonymous 20/02/13(Thu)11:21 No. 14408 ID: a8ae85

Freedom is the concept where Ayn Rand, Max Stirner and LaVeyan satanism intersect: everything is pointless and you should do that which pleases you. Libertine excesses do not exist.

Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)10:04 No. 14409 ID: 02c8e4

Americans think that everything opposite of what the government wants is freedom. If there is taxes then no taxes means freedom. If there is drug prohibition then drug legalization means freedom. I bet you that Americans would gorge on feces if there was a law against it.

Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)10:13 No. 14410 ID: 6cd6b2

>I bet you that Americans would gorge on feces if there was a law against it.
They do already, haven't you noticed how most coprophilia is primarily an American/German fetish (and there were a lot of Germans "procured" by America post WWII)..

Anonymous 20/02/14(Fri)13:33 No. 14411 ID: d6b8d0


Fedora overload.

Anonymous 20/02/18(Tue)04:36 No. 14412 ID: 9241f7

Agreed. The phrase 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' may originally have implied a higher definition of 'happiness' than is currently understood by the mass of people in what has become a self-centred and hedonistic society.

From Wikipedia, on the origins of the phrase, suggesting that it may have been 'borrowed' from John Locke:
"In 1689, Locke argued in his Two Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate".[7] In A Letter Concerning Toleration, he wrote that the magistrate's power was limited to preserving a person's "civil interest", which he described as "life, liberty, health, and indolency of body; and the possession of outward things".[8] He declared in his Essay Concerning Human Understanding that "the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness".[9]

According to those scholars who saw the root of Jefferson's thought in Locke's doctrine, Jefferson replaced "estate" with "the pursuit of happiness", although this does not mean that Jefferson meant the "pursuit of happiness" to refer primarily or exclusively to property. Under such an assumption, the Declaration of Independence would declare that government existed primarily for the reasons Locke gave..."

So are we really seeing the decline of an empire because the intent of the founding fathers has been lost in the selfish interpretation of a few words, or were the words and the concept they represented flawed to begin with? Locke's "true and solid happiness" leading to the "highest perfection of intellectual nature" is hardly recognisable in the things which modern Americans view as bringing happiness. To parody Locke, a 'false and shallow happiness' has become the norm, the goal.

But what about the other possibility, that even in their highest possible meaning, the concepts themselves were flawed? The rights of the individual were placed at the heart of the constitution as a response to the lack of same under the Monarchy. Any idea which defines itself only in relation to another however, is doomed to be limited by that inherent restriction. As OP says, the Constitution is not about building a functional society, it's about empowering individuals. A worthy aim, but is it enough?

Anonymous 20/02/20(Thu)16:35 No. 14417 ID: 71d21b

>it's about empowering individuals

Not really. As far as I can tell Americans get inflated egos. American "culture" is easily digestible narcissism on steroids.

Anonymous 20/02/21(Fri)03:57 No. 14419 ID: 1f6c42

The Constitution was framed around the ideal of "philosopher kings". The central concept would be that the odd democracy/republic the founders established would allow freedom to all citizens in the hope that the cream of society would rise to the top to be the leaders. That the best and brightest, so to speak, would become those "philosopher kings", based on (I can only assume) a highly erroneous notion that humans are rational creatures that will properly govern themselves so long as they are given a fair opportunity to do so.

This was to be in contrast with monarchic or feudal systems of governance where if the crown prince was a complete idiot there would be nothing that could be done about it, and if the person who was potentially the best ruler for the country in intelligence and personality was born in a slum, there was also nothing that could be done about it. There, the prince would become the king, and the kid would die in that slum, no matter what.

But the problem is the creation of this system in which there was established only a theoretical POSSIBILITY that the best would be able to gain leadership and success, led to a belief (ever more fervent in modernity) that it was actually a guarantee. That the leaders would always be the best and brightest, and that those who did not succeed were therefore undeserving and flawed. You are correct when you asserted that commonly law only allows itself to protect both person and property. In this, the American system has perverted itself into defiance of that concept entirely. In the desperate attempt to ensure totality of opportunity and the facade of equality, it has instead made itself into a system of anarchy. Now the majority can tyrannize the minority unopposed (persons are not protected) and individuals and corporations are allowed to rewrite rules and laws as they see fit to hoard wealth for themselves (property is not protected). Additionally, the government (eminent domain) and police (civil forfeiture) can and DO simply take your property and are under no burden to give it back or provide fair compensation. Let's not even get started on taxes.

The people, of course, that quotable "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", accept this based on nothing but the false promise that they, too, will sit at the top if they simply work hard enough. Hence why they predictably and consistently make choices in law and policy to their own detriment to enrich their defacto rulers, and continue to believe that those rulers are where they are because they deserve it and actually are the best and brightest. This is tantamount to allowing underclassmen of schools to vote on whether bullying/hazing should be allowed, after first promising them that they (when they become upperclassmen) will definitely be the ones doing the bullying.

The fundamental issue, I believe, is this American obsession with classifying people into permanently and indelibly "good" or "evil", rather than recognizing the potential for both to exist in everyone. Hence the delusion that solving gun violence is simply figuring out who the "evil" people are and denying them access to firearms, while HEAVILY arming all the "good" people. This may be indicated as being a religious belief (America is the least secular of all "developed" countries) but is certainly also a property of this Constitution which promises that power and greatness will somehow only come to the most deserving and benevolent. And of course, if a person finds themselves on the outs of society, jobless or homeless or sick or in poverty, it must be their own fault, because they are bad people.

Other developed countries have moved past this and found ways to perform the original good of protecting person and property. This often involves taking power away from the individual, because the greatest truth is often that most people who have power, even the tiniest bit, will misuse it through malevolence or ignorance. You can't simply thrust the power of the Vote into the hands of every citizen without providing education of governance, expecting them to just use it for good on a delusion that they are fundamentally good. To put it bluntly, there is nothing primarily good about totally unrestricted free speech. Your right to call someone an asshole doesn't trump their right to not be called an asshole. Removing that right will not suddenly cause the government to become a corrupt censoring propaganda machine a-la Big Brother, UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY CORRUPT.

And therein lies the real truth behind much of the Constitution. You see, when it was written, America was in a very delicate and fragile state. The biggest threats were not from within, but without; the fear would be that a corrupt foreign power that was at the time vastly more powerful than America would insert itself into the government and take over. Then, after some short time, this puppet government would happily annex itself back to the control of one of the big colonial powers, much to the detriment of the American people. But that state has changed and is no longer relevant. As an example, the law that a President must have been born in the USA. Back then, it makes complete sense to prevent the President from actually being a puppet of a foreign government. But nowadays it does not make sense. There is absolutely no difference whether or not Obama had been born in Kenya or in Hawaii; all those "birthers" were arguing the letter of the Constitution without having the slightest understanding of WHY it was written that way.

And if anyone else still believes that the Constitution is some vaunted perfect immutable document akin to Scripture, kindly remind yourself of the existence of the Eighteenth and Twenty-First Amendments.

Anonymous 20/02/21(Fri)16:38 No. 14421 ID: 60dfea


People stab each other in the back for dollar bills and fame. A shallow cesspool of filth and decadence.

Anonymous 20/02/24(Mon)11:38 No. 14423 ID: 143b09

American freedom is kind of hollow. No real substance, just endless self-importance.

Anonymous 20/02/27(Thu)11:29 No. 14424 ID: a8ae85

Only fedoras want to do as they please. They lack inner restrictions and think everything can be justified.

Anonymous 20/02/27(Thu)17:40 No. 14425 ID: 6cd6b2

>Only fedoras want to do as they please. They lack inner restrictions and think everything can be justified.
Your statement is more flawed than all the tipped fedoras in the world.

Many people do as they please. But they also engage in society, accept social responsibility and understand they must work towards their goals rather then expecting the world to pamper and provide for them. This is where the tipper philosophy fails, in reality.

Your common tipper also houses more self control than you give credit. Their inner control is higher than that of the mean man because they receive so little beyond what is granted by their parents, predominately food, a basement dwelling and internet access {For the astute you will notice love/nurturance is missing, but this is not accidental}. If they truly lacked inner restrictions we would see a lot more of them on the news after they got their Vitamin-D deficient body’s broken as a result of either airing their opinions in public to other men or in response to attempting to forcefully act their inner fantasies with the fairer sex and a subsequent ass-kicking from the refusing lady.

Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)09:54 No. 14426 ID: 02c8e4

I think you confuse cowardice with self-restraint. If an atheist is aware that nothing he/she does will be punished and there are no higher beings that dictate what is permissible or not, then he/she is free to do as he/she pleases. But if an atheist still does not do whatever he/she wants despite the lack of higher authority then he/she is a coward.

Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)10:04 No. 14427 ID: 6cd6b2

It's not often this happens:

You're rights, I was mistaken.

Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)10:53 No. 14428 ID: 8ad094

the maintainer of the mentally ill postbot finally realized his old thread was no longer bumping and has latched onto a new thread

go away mentally ill postbot, nobody likes you

Anonymous 20/02/28(Fri)15:14 No. 14429 ID: 9a993c

Go back to the 8th troll.

Anonymous 20/02/29(Sat)23:59 No. 14430 ID: c2be70

Ok. So what's your question, OP?

Anonymous 20/03/05(Thu)14:26 No. 14431 ID: b40264

American freedom consists of turning your country into a big shopping mall. Pointless consumerism.

Anonymous 20/03/09(Mon)12:12 No. 14432 ID: 143b09

America is a good example of why freedom is bad.

Anonymous 20/03/11(Wed)09:16 No. 14435 ID: 945017

America is, truly, a horrible place... except for all those other places.

Anonymous 20/03/15(Sun)13:28 No. 14444 ID: 7d5109

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When you look at how superficial and vain the American culture is you begin to realize how utterly perverted freedom is. There exists only accomplishments, not purposes. There is no higher meaning, only instant gratification. If you want drug induced stimuli you can smoke cannabis in several states and then sit around, watching cartoons like a child all day long. You can devour tons of processed food, cheaper than anywhere on the planet and develop diabetes, morbid obesity and heart diseases. You can purchase firearms and waste ammunition on rage filled killing sprees because you feel ostracized from society. You can peruse limitless episodes of Netflix shows that's being churned out at such a pace that it makes little sense to why you could or should watch anything at all since it's mere entertainment designed to be consumed. There is a massive abundance of so called freedom but it's never enough. When you've legalized cannabis, you move on to stronger substances and want to legalize cocaine. When you've got firearms, you sooner or later want fighter jets and Apache helicopters. What's worse is that the U.S.A and the freedom it's so fond of isn't upheld by anything. The national debt is sky-high, it never decreases and people go to war over inane reasons, producing even more debt. The poorest among the populace are forced to join the army because they need education or have mortgages to pay off. They bleed and die for nothing other than protecting "freedom".

Anonymous 20/03/16(Mon)11:46 No. 14446 ID: 3d6d71

What most Americans fail to realize is that the point of "freedom" was never intended to be "freedom to X", but "freedom from X". Plenty of people confuse or conflate the two. America was founded to escape oppression, not to fucking express themselves.

It's not about being able to practice your religion; it's about the government being unable to force a state religion on you. It's not about being able to own guns; it's about a corrupt government being unable to force rule on you. It's not about being able to spout whatever inane bullshit you feel like speaking; it's about the government being unable to censor you.

I'd much prefer freedom from dying of preventable disease and homelessness, but everyone else only cares about freedom to be a dickhead whenever they choose. Other countries are better than America in literally every possible measure for anyone who is not a millionaire, but at the cost that you're not allowed to be a dickhead. Really, that's all there is to it.

Anonymous 20/03/17(Tue)23:14 No. 14448 ID: aecef2

Yeah, Europe and Russia are so free from dickheads, I never see any of them spouting off for mass genocide of refugees/liberals/gays/transgenders ever. Just sunshine and apricots from the land that gave us two world wars!

Anonymous 20/03/18(Wed)00:32 No. 14449 ID: fca2d4

>Yeah, Europe and Russia are so free from dickheads, I never see any of them spouting off for mass genocide of refugees/liberals/gays/transgenders ever.
Because, you fool, you do not seen what comes after. One evil can be contained, two curbed, three is folly but four merges into something worse:


Anonymous 20/03/20(Fri)15:58 No. 14450 ID: f6faad

The U.S.A is pretty depressing. No real culture or own language, everything is treated like a commodity and people are stuck in this repulsive mindset that you have to acquire wealth in order to be respected. The only reason why people want to live in the U.S is because they can be douchebags. It's a rootless ADHD society.

Anonymous 20/03/24(Tue)15:47 No. 14456 ID: 6a6fc4

Freedom ain't free unless you're overweight and ready to die for Israel.

Anonymous 20/04/06(Mon)09:12 No. 14458 ID: fc2037

I doubt that Americans know what freedom means. It's just a perpetual buzzword they use in order to justify what they want.

Anonymous 20/04/06(Mon)14:48 No. 14459 ID: fca2d4


Anonymous 20/04/30(Thu)10:06 No. 14469 ID: 689472

Freedom in America is pseudo-anarchism. It's a teenage mindset where you defy everything you dislike.

Anonymous 20/05/02(Sat)12:51 No. 14483 ID: 7d5109

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The U.S.A is a giant kindergarten. Adult people screaming and chanting like morons over who is the most obnoxious and defiant. All in the name of freedom.


Anonymous 20/05/06(Wed)14:20 No. 14490 ID: da7df6

That's a lot of freedom loving retards.

Anonymous 20/05/07(Thu)12:18 No. 14492 ID: 9ad87a

Obesity is freedom.

Anonymous 20/05/14(Thu)10:01 No. 14499 ID: 689472

Wow. That's kind of scary.

Anonymous 20/05/19(Tue)08:48 No. 14501 ID: 7cb4c3

Would you prefer to be paying into a monarchy OP?

I have a lot of issues with the constitution, I have a lot of issues with the government it is based on not following it either but I have to admit it's probably better sending our money to Africa than to Africa corps.

Anonymous 20/05/20(Wed)09:51 No. 14507 ID: 899f88

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>protesting a lockdown meant to inhibit the spread of a disease

Dah evul gubermant wantz 2 teyk hour freedumz!

Anonymous 20/05/20(Wed)10:20 No. 14508 ID: 7cb4c3

It really didn't do shit for New York in all fairness

Anonymous 20/05/22(Fri)13:32 No. 14511 ID: 4c05af


Anonymous 20/06/03(Wed)17:21 No. 14517 ID: 143b09

First this idiocy and then race riots over some dead crackhead negro. The U.S.A is a wonderful, multicultural place.

Anonymous 20/06/04(Thu)07:05 No. 14518 ID: 7cb4c3

"That's manners!"

-Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, Alice in Wonderland

Anonymous 20/06/18(Thu)11:35 No. 14555 ID: 582f7a

He is right, though. George Floyd was a drug addicted criminal and even threatened pregnant women.

Anonymous 20/06/19(Fri)07:30 No. 14556 ID: 7cb4c3

Plus he was just rude

You can be strung out and still be alright company, but the world is better without him for sure

Anonymous 20/07/02(Thu)09:27 No. 14566 ID: 24b134

Freedom is the pursuit of frivolity. You only want freedom because you desire selfishness.

Anonymous 20/07/06(Mon)12:17 No. 14567 ID: 7cb4c3

The idea of being free is certainly attributed to an individual living in such a society, not that it would require the same degree of selfishness considered for actions deemed such

Anonymous 20/07/14(Tue)17:09 No. 14570 ID: 7d5109

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>You only want freedom because you desire selfishness.

This. Kant's principle of morality ("Act so that the basis of your action may be valid for all men.") is the exact opposite of freedom. Kant's principle means death to the individual impulses. For the liberty lover, that standard can never be the way all men would act because he only follows his own whim. That's why you see so many psycopaths that actively promote recreational drug use because it is in accordance with their own garish hedonism.

Anonymous 20/08/01(Sat)16:22 No. 14576 ID: f4ee5d

holy shit, the fedora postbot is still on job. how long has he been going for now?

Anonymous 20/08/06(Thu)15:42 No. 14578 ID: 1c5141

Take your meds, schizo.

Anonymous 20/08/22(Sat)15:11 No. 14581 ID: a1767f

Now that you mention psycopaths and how they always espouse subjective morality you should take a look at this guy called Vegan Gains (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFVBqZEoW0).

>mentally ill
>calls himself existential nihilist
>has a profound hatred towards humanity and this warped misanthropy makes him a fanatic animal rights activist
>has gone through a vasectomy to ensure he never reproduces
>encourages his wife to post nude photographs for money

This is freedom in a nutshell.

Anonymous 20/08/25(Tue)15:23 No. 14582 ID: 4cd479

You can tell that he is fake. Even his laughter is forced.

Anonymous 20/09/17(Thu)13:06 No. 14590 ID: 1c5141

His fedora levels are off the charts.

Anonymous 20/09/23(Wed)11:21 No. 14592 ID: 8840b1

That man lives a pointless life and is utterly depressed. Sad.

Anonymous 20/09/25(Fri)10:02 No. 14593 ID: 083247

American freedom is about individualism. The U.S is a mongrelized and rootless society that lacks a cohesive culture and because of that Americans substitute a sense of belonging with egotism. It's a big commercial carnival that is about generating taxes for the rich to exploit and for the poor to suffer. Unlike actual shitholes like Russia or China, the U.S dissimulates their moral bankruptcy behind a mask of bleached teeth and Hollywood delusions.

Anonymous 20/09/30(Wed)02:40 No. 14594 ID: e38882

At the end of the day, all morals and philosophies are nothing but vanity, created by us who look upon an uncaring world and the masses of our fellow genetic success stories and try to devise something to either extract meaning or grant it.

None of it is real. Rights, morals, justifications, these are all as fictitious as any other delusion. We are masses of chemicals, following a proscribed set of instructions that are carried out via physical chains of actions and reactions, and which happen to have been programmed in a way that is exceptionally good at finding patterns where there are none and at creating social contexts and constructs. Merely because some masses of chemicals created an artificial social framework that happens to be sel-serving does not make that framework less valid than any other, because all these frameworks are imaginary to begin with.

Anonymous 20/10/03(Sat)04:29 No. 14598 ID: 120827

aw jeez rick

Anonymous 20/10/06(Tue)11:52 No. 14601 ID: f94355

You begin to wonder what the point is. The U.S is just a big shopping mall.

Anonymous 20/10/14(Wed)15:18 No. 14604 ID: 747485

*tips fedora*: the post.

Anonymous 20/10/20(Tue)10:42 No. 14614 ID: 7cb4c3


Anonymous 20/11/27(Fri)11:01 No. 14649 ID: 60dfea

I agree with this sentiment. Another problem is that Americans are indifferent about their roots. They gladly let their country get flooded with Mexicans and other brown people because they are spineless.

Anonymous 20/11/27(Fri)21:43 No. 14650 ID: 7cb4c3

You guys need to watch more cartoons

Anonymous 20/12/01(Tue)13:34 No. 14654 ID: 4cd479


Let me guess: stoner manchild sitting behind his computer 24/7?

Anonymous 20/12/06(Sun)19:48 No. 14655 ID: 6395b5

appreciate all of your posts, quite enlightening. I may respond later.

Anonymous 20/12/20(Sun)04:54 No. 14665 ID: f57f27

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Let me guess, elderly crackpot upset about pretty much everything, TV has a shoe through its screen

Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:31 No. 14667 ID: e08dd8

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I loathe misleading graphs. Here's one with the y-axis not cropped to suggest something unsupported by the data.

America was overwhelmingly religious. IT STILL IS.

Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:39 No. 14668 ID: e08dd8

Addendum: The amount of people identifying as religious declined 9% in 20 years. Assuming the rate does not change, this suggests that it will reach zero in about another 190 years, so the year 2204 or so.

America, and probably literally everything else, will long since have ceased to exist by then.

Anonymous 21/03/07(Sun)23:07 No. 14691 ID: 4bd1b0

What makes you think that building a functional society is antithetical to protecting your interests?

Anonymous 21/03/07(Sun)23:12 No. 14693 ID: 4bd1b0

>Because something is declining in popularity means its popularity will reduce to zero. America will not exist because I say so.

Anonymous 21/03/08(Mon)08:03 No. 14694 ID: 6dab7d


Anonymous 21/03/08(Mon)22:13 No. 14695 ID: b47738

Whether I say so won't stop climate change, resource exhaustion, biosphere collapse, mass extinction, decline of EROI on all energy sources, and a whole lot of nuclear weapons pointed in various directions a hair-trigger from going off.

When the shit hits the fan, I'd love to tell you "I told you so", but the internet will probably be the first bit of major infrastructure to collapse. Shortly followed by the cellphone network, power network, water and sewer, public services (police, fire, ambulance), and food supply.

When the store shelves go bare, and this time around stay that way for a few months, you'll know that I was right. Won't need anyone to tell you, either.

Anonymous 21/03/11(Thu)04:05 No. 14707 ID: ca3c06

Sounds fun. Hey, we earned it.

Anonymous 21/03/11(Thu)14:21 No. 14708 ID: 897003

>the internet will probably be the first bit of major infrastructure to collapse. Shortly followed by the cellphone network, power network, water and sewer, public services (police, fire, ambulance), and food supply.
All the simulations put power-grids first. Access to power will limit other services.

Anonymous 21/03/16(Tue)06:41 No. 14711 ID: b1c870

Grids are decentralized enough and can easily be taken down in sections by the power company. Of course, this depends on the speed of the collapse. If it's full-on nuclear apocalypse style, yeah, the power's just going to shut off one day and never come back on. But if it's a slow burn over like 10 years (which is much more likely), they'll just start cutting off service in rural areas, and charging exorbitant amounts to those that remain. The internet and cellphone networks rely on newer and more delicate infrastructure, like satellites and fiber cable.

Aside from that, any retard with a generator or some solar panels can power their own house, at least for a while. But ain't nobody can make their own world wide internet or cellphone network.

Anonymous 21/03/26(Fri)09:44 No. 14712 ID: 7cb4c3

I'd like to bring this dialogue back to the main point of the constitution being to overthrow the government

Nearly every single right given to us was supposed to be used to kill the president

Anonymous 21/03/26(Fri)17:58 No. 14718 ID: 7d5109

But how does one determine when that is justified? Freedom in this sense means that you kill a tyrant but it's only tyranny when you're not allowed to do as you please. It all boils down to selfishness in the end and whether or not you feel threatened by a higher authority that denies you the "right" to something.

Anonymous 21/04/08(Thu)08:37 No. 14729 ID: 9075a1

Accurate post. Freedom has no meaning in the U.S.A.

Anonymous 21/04/10(Sat)11:24 No. 14731 ID: d44202

Asking that question means you're not justified. One decides when it is appropriate to do so.

Anonymous 21/06/23(Wed)13:58 No. 14775 ID: 35a4bb

I don't really get what him being a Freemason has to do with this.
But what you're pointing out about Washington and his crew is true of everyone everywhere. Our philosophy is just our way to justify what we want the world to be like.

Anonymous 21/07/06(Tue)10:01 No. 14780 ID: aaa15d

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common core meets critical race theory
>>what's the worst that could happen?.jpeg

Anonymous 21/07/29(Thu)00:40 No. 14784 ID: b2ca62

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I think he means that freemasonry is a way to circumvent laws by belonging to a secret society that is only available for initiated members. Winston Churchill was a freemason, just like Franklin Roosevelt.

Anonymous 21/08/18(Wed)14:54 No. 14790 ID: 747485

Damn, Velma has a big ol’ ass.

Anonymous 21/08/25(Wed)15:25 No. 14796 ID: ea897f

All she needs is a pair of D-cups to go with that phat ass.

Anonymous 21/08/27(Fri)16:28 No. 14798 ID: 54428e

Freemasonry is not about freedom, it is about control.

donnie doomer 21/08/31(Tue)19:33 No. 14800 ID: 8ec8b9

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damn reading this thread is like hearing the final codec call from mgs2, got me asking all kinds of questions
>if what modern America has become is what happens when what we (Americans) call "freedom" is put in place, then what is the point of it? of any of it at all? how could we escape?
>would it be better to live without freedom at all?
and speaking of that final codec call from mgs2
>does the average person lack the qualifications to exercise free will?
and something i keep hearing in my head
>what is the point of freedom? is it all just superficial? in the case it is, what is actually "true and authentic"?

im an American; i love my country, and ive invested time into asking what i can do for my country, so to speak. but this thread is messing with my brain and i want to understand everything i can about what is being discussed here
>answer my own questions for me
i intend to answer them myself but consider my noob ramblings food for though if you will

Anonymous 21/09/01(Wed)22:48 No. 14802 ID: 53d284

What does Washington's relation with the Freemasons have to do with anything?

Anonymous 21/09/06(Mon)08:50 No. 14806 ID: 09cd0f

Good post.

Anonymous 21/09/06(Mon)14:23 No. 14807 ID: 2b1244

People who read Stirner and like his way of thinking are literal neckbeards that suffer from depression and loneliness.

Anonymous 21/09/07(Tue)14:33 No. 14808 ID: d2b13f

Stirner is just another spoiled and bored trust fund child. He leeched off his wealthy wife to publish his first book. Listening to him for advice about individual freedom is like listening to Karl Marx regarding property. Marx, just like Stirner, had to rely on others financially and never endured any hard labour whatsoever during his life, which makes it pretty ironic that Marx tries to speak for the working masses.

Anonymous 21/09/28(Tue)15:35 No. 14810 ID: 6b0b89

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Anonymous 21/09/30(Thu)19:26 No. 14811 ID: 9524b1

Your pic (assumed it either says atheism itself is not what it claims but in fact nihilism or it says nihilism uses atheism to hide behind) doesn't compute; nihilism rejects common values while atheism only rejects the religious beliefs subset of common values but retains the rest of the set, e.g. humanism - and nihilism itself wouldn't even care to use a mask, that would be a contradiction in terms, i.e. no nihilism to begin with.

Anonymous 21/10/05(Tue)13:08 No. 14812 ID: 78c448

That picture is spot on.

Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)02:39 No. 14813 ID: d2a5e8


Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)04:56 No. 14815 ID: 15c902

It's amazing, after all this time the mentally ill postbot not only is still creating posts about how everything but American Evangelicalism is stupid and/or evil, but also continues to hold elaborate conversations with themselves.

I just don't get it. They can't actually think anyone in the real world is going to actually fall for his stupid trick, can they?

Just give it up, your elaborate ruse is long dead. And for the love of god man get the mental help you so obviously need. That hole obviously isn't being filled by religion, otherwise you wouldn't be coming here and spazzing out constantly.

Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)14:46 No. 14816 ID: b93a10

Fedoras cope so hard it's ridiculous.

sage sage 21/10/08(Fri)20:44 No. 14817 ID: d2a5e8

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Tell us more about how you believe your own life has no intrinsic meaning unless you make-belief a literal magical entity controlling literally every aspect of your life. Imagine self-owning yourself like that.

Even when trying to make a point, religious folk come across as weak-ass bitches.

Anonymous 21/10/11(Mon)10:10 No. 14818 ID: 020525

Take your meds.

Anonymous 21/10/22(Fri)14:59 No. 14826 ID: b93a10

Freedom is meaningless if it all boils down to pleasure seeking. You are controlled by your urges and not by any necessity or higher truths.

Anonymous 21/10/23(Sat)00:48 No. 14827 ID: d2a5e8

Aren't you literally just going through the motions and thoughts you think your supposed god wants you to, just to get an eternity of pleasure and bliss in the afterlife, and avoiding all others out of fear of eternal punishment?

Don't throw stones in a glass house.

Anonymous 21/10/25(Mon)10:16 No. 14828 ID: 020525

Meaninglessness is why fedoras use drugs and prostitutes.

Americium!Metal3G/gs 21/10/26(Tue)08:33 No. 14829 ID: d2a5e8

Are you kids still at it?

Anonymous 21/10/26(Tue)14:23 No. 14830 ID: a3561f

This is where you have a kind of inverted Nietzschean Übermensch mindset. You do not care about anything so therefor you justify everything you desire. In Nietzsches case he frequently visited prostitutes and later got caught in a downward spiral into madness.

Anonymous 21/10/27(Wed)13:49 No. 14833 ID: 747485

He was just another fedora tipper coping with his existential dread.

Anonymous 21/10/28(Thu)11:04 No. 14835 ID: 5873cc

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>*tips fedora*
>*gets syphilis*

Hello, fellow enlightened atheists. The Übermensch will make the regular man look like an ape, because apes are shameful creatures that never will amount to anything...Der Übermensch steht zu dem Menschen wie der Mensch zum Affen.

Anonymous 21/10/28(Thu)14:30 No. 14836 ID: b4dbdd

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Hey, Nietzsche! I love your philosophy but could you possibly stop being a philosemite?
- Best regards, Mustache man

Anonymous 21/11/13(Sat)03:21 No. 14840 ID: 15c902

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Anonymous 21/11/14(Sun)01:07 No. 14841 ID: a363e8

Anne Frankly I find it in bad taste.

Anonymous 21/11/22(Mon)00:28 No. 14845 ID: 15c902

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i think the mentally ill postbot got covid

he hasn't posted anything in almost a month

Anonymous 21/11/25(Thu)16:30 No. 14846 ID: 30587e

Take your meds.

Anonymous 21/12/01(Wed)14:08 No. 14853 ID: 0222a0

Nietzsche is overrated.

Anonymous 21/12/01(Wed)16:05 No. 14854 ID: 545363




Anonymous 21/12/01(Wed)16:05 No. 14855 ID: 545363




Anonymous 21/12/02(Thu)11:24 No. 14856 ID: 0e0c25

Nietzsche is the equivalent of philosophical fast food. Easily digestible.

Anonymous 21/12/02(Thu)17:05 No. 14857 ID: baba54

as opposed to how all cultures and peoples have collectively practiced expansionism and political subversion, think again galaxy brain

Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)12:08 No. 14861 ID: 5f772b

Most countries and cultures in the world have always maintained a hierarchy. 'Freedom', as Americans know it, is a modern invention that has no real counterpart in history.

Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)15:12 No. 14863 ID: 98d0b4

If you lack attachment to your roots then everything becomes a commodity. That is what happened to the U.S.A. You can buy and sell freedom.

Anonymous 21/12/20(Mon)14:23 No. 14871 ID: 3695d1

Americans have a pathological aversion towards their legacy. That's why they let their country get flooded with brown people.

Anonymous 21/12/20(Mon)15:51 No. 14872 ID: 179af2


Anonymous 21/12/27(Mon)08:36 No. 14873 ID: b776cd

You could say that they are allergic to preserving their nation.

Anonymous 21/12/27(Mon)12:45 No. 14874 ID: 915276

If you reject sovereignty over your own country you reject freedom.

Anonymous 21/12/29(Wed)23:38 No. 14875 ID: be12f0

America has been natively brown people. White people flooded and mixed with them.

Anonymous 21/12/29(Wed)23:39 No. 14876 ID: be12f0

>Allergic to national history
>Forgets that America was native Americans before British settlers took over

Typical white traditionalists.

Anonymous 22/01/11(Tue)10:33 No. 14879 ID: 659df1

>native Americans

You mean Indians? They fought each other and took land by force from other tribes. There is no homogeneous native American culture.

Anonymous 22/01/12(Wed)00:31 No. 14880 ID: 244334

Indians is a misnomer. and yes they fought and killed each other, but it was their place to beef.
Just like theres no native "Anglo" culture. Celts moved there, then Romans tried to "civilise" them, then Germanics came in. In fact, nationalism itself is a farce because history shows that people put family before race.

Anonymous 22/01/12(Wed)14:18 No. 14882 ID: d23d48

The Roman empire itself was the antithesis of nationalism. That's why people engaged in war against it. If you look at the first settlers in the U.S and their constitution it is the antithesis to what the U.S is today. It, literally, declared that the U.S was for white people only. If you want to go into semantics then 'white' means European settlers.

Anonymous 22/01/14(Fri)08:50 No. 14883 ID: cda5a6

The major reason why the Roman empire collapsed was because it was non-homogeneous, just like the Ottoman empire. Too many different ethnicities and cultures in one area that do not conform and remain determined to preserve their own ways of life.

Anonymous 22/01/14(Fri)16:52 No. 14884 ID: 71be2b

Well, that was the fault of imperialism. Romans were nationalists but they wanted to expand their empire. If anything, it wasn't really "self fucking" but because native Romans got too complacent on their national success.
History shows that homogeny isn't absolute and in fact, people of same race will fight each other to promote their own tribe.
Nationality is a modern concept.

Anonymous 22/01/17(Mon)12:12 No. 14890 ID: b776cd

The Roman emperors were of different ethnicities and backgrounds so I doubt you could call Rome nationalistic. It was a giant multicultural experiment built on expansionism.

Anonymous 22/01/31(Mon)14:32 No. 14893 ID: 063207

I doubt there is something that can be called real freedom.

Anonymous 22/03/04(Fri)20:28 No. 14907 ID: 7d5109

Freedom means to oppose limiting behavior that tends to narrow one's options. It means stepping outside of one's own culture, society, relationships, family personality, beliefs, prejudices, opinions and ideas. In casting off one set of restricting actions it becomes unavoidable adopting others, and so, if you are unitary you are not free.

Anonymous 22/03/07(Mon)15:13 No. 14909 ID: bb0e8a

Basically any type of identity means that your life is chained to a determined course.

Anonymous 22/04/04(Mon)08:29 No. 14917 ID: 2cac95

So freedom means you suffer from multiple personality disorder? Sounds lovely.

Anonymous 22/04/07(Thu)16:18 No. 14926 ID: 7969f0

>Freedom means to oppose limiting behavior that tends to narrow one's options. It means stepping outside of one's own culture, society, relationships, family personality, beliefs, prejudices, opinions and ideas. In casting off one set of restricting actions it becomes unavoidable adopting others, and so, if you are unitary you are not free.

Stirner/Nietszche/Schopenhauer in a nutshell.

Anonymous 22/04/13(Wed)15:16 No. 14928 ID: 85cb75


Nietzsche, you retard.

Anonymous 22/07/23(Sat)13:09 No. 15019 ID: 7d5109

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You could say that freedom means that you lack restrictions. In a world without meaning, purpose and value there is endless ways to express the lust for transgression.

Anonymous 22/07/30(Sat)23:18 No. 15028 ID: ea785a

I've always equated freedom with moral relativism. Those that want it are the kind of people that seek only benefits while at the same time never want to admit that their whole worldview is lackluster and one dimensional.

Anonymous 22/07/31(Sun)21:56 No. 15029 ID: 56e525

Americans don't want freedom. They want conveniences.
America has the most liability laws out of any developed nation.
The average adult is plagued by puerile complexes that they refuse to grow out of. And because of this, they cannot properly have relationships let alone raise children. Kids have to be raised more by schools than parents because Americans think themselves too good for elbow grease. They want the cushy desk jobs where they think they can bark orders at others all day for seven figures. Yet, despite the logistics showing that such jobs are rare in openings, they still chase after excessive knick knacks and fast food and cushy desk jobs. I bet the recession is half caused by excessive consumerism.

Anonymous 22/07/31(Sun)22:19 No. 15030 ID: be9b39

>Those that want it are the kind of people that seek only benefits while at the same time never want to admit that their whole worldview is lackluster and one dimensional.
>while at the same time
What's the contradiction here? This really just reads as "they think something I don't like and they won't even admit that they are stupid!"

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)14:18 No. 15031 ID: 7d5109

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Exactly. Those people say you can justify pedophilia because they think everyone should act on their whims as natural extensions of nihilistic "truth". You say something is permissible because you thought of it as such. A downward spiral into endless options based on the notion that it can be done and therefore should be done.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)17:27 No. 15032 ID: be9b39

Have you really met anyone who thinks this way? Even the sorts of extreme lolbert and stirnerite egoist positions people love to pretend are more than a rare niche don't say "you want to do it, you should". It's just about removing some blocks in the decision making process, there are still a lot of reasons you might choose not to do something you get the urge to do, it doesn't change the fundamental issues and dangers of reality.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)18:09 No. 15033 ID: 7d5109

Atheism implies this reasoning, for example. You face no real repercussions for your actions and thus can do whatever you wish. Laws are only arbitrary and your mindset is also arbitrary. Existence is just random occurences and you need no justification for anything. Even your own perceived subjective moral standards appears out of thin air and doesn't require cause and effect in the sense of fulfilling right or wrong. It basically is an apriori void of being.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)18:22 No. 15034 ID: be9b39

Oh, you're one of those guys. Never mind.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)18:54 No. 15035 ID: 7d5109

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>Oh, you're one of those guys. Never mind.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)23:03 No. 15036 ID: be9b39

You guys try so hard to convince yourselves that tradlarping is the norm and that not being religious makes you part of a tiny minority who bases their whole lives on it. If you actually went outside you'd see that it's completely the opposite. Even most christians are more similar to me than to terminal internet dwellers like you.

Anonymous 22/08/02(Tue)23:10 No. 15037 ID: 7d5109

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I bet indifference to everything is comforting. Detachment gives you a soothing feeling of superiority that you can use to shield yourself from criticism so you won't have your feelings hurt.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)00:49 No. 15038 ID: 838b0b

I think he's right, and it's sad. Most people are poor and don't care about religion. The human race, because of democracy and socialism, is extraordinarily lazy and cowardly. They won't go to church and believe because they are too lazy to. You give the average person way way too much credit. Very few people in this world need to exist, and it shows.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)01:11 No. 15039 ID: 7d5109

Okay, doctor Kevorkian.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)01:14 No. 15040 ID: 838b0b

Are you young, by any chance?

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)01:26 No. 15041 ID: be9b39

You have zero self awareness and zero understanding of the religion you pretend to follow.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)14:53 No. 15042 ID: 7d5109

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Keep living your meaningless life full of repetitive chores and tranquilizing distractions.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)15:27 No. 15043 ID: 3aa975

Christianity basically states verbatim that you're just supposed to do repetitive chores and not break anything until you die of natural causes. It's not remotely about making life interesting, that line was literally invented in the current millenium by fatherless tradlarpers like you.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)15:38 No. 15044 ID: 7d5109

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Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)15:43 No. 15045 ID: 3aa975

Regurgitating memes that everyone has already seen instead of trying to make arguments is what the braindead consoomer in that picture would do.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)16:03 No. 15046 ID: 7d5109

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You know you are no different from the man in the picture. You just choose other things that you use to fill your empty life.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)16:04 No. 15047 ID: 3aa975

What's your life like?

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)18:44 No. 15048 ID: 7d5109

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Obviously better than yours since you feel the need to ask about it.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)18:57 No. 15050 ID: be9b39

Did that make sense in your head before you posted it?

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:30 No. 15051 ID: 7d5109

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Why did you ask, then?

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:32 No. 15052 ID: be9b39

It's just an obvious question, you keep going on about how fulfilling your life is and that literally nothing I could possibly do could compare since I'm an atheist, so tell me about it.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:33 No. 15053 ID: be9b39

Btw, these reaction images are just fucking random. You don't have any artistic sense about how to use them.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:38 No. 15054 ID: 7d5109

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>You don't have any artistic sense about how to use them.
>artistic sense

Wow, did you just get your panties in a twist because someone doesn't obsess over imageboard mannerism? Your life must be a blast.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:41 No. 15055 ID: be9b39

See, that image at least made contextual sense. Not particularly inspired but it doesn't look like you're a bot just taking random files from a folder.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:47 No. 15056 ID: 7d5109

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So you think people are bots if they don't conform to some kind of autistic obsession over imageboard behaviour? If you think you need an artistic sense when posting images I think you need to turn off your computer and go outside.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)19:56 No. 15057 ID: be9b39

Are you that one guy? I didn't think you'd go through all this trouble but I'm still not all that surprised.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:01 No. 15058 ID: 7d5109

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I don't even know what you're talking about but clearly your artistic sense is greater than mine since you spend day after day on imageboards.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:11 No. 15059 ID: be9b39

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You mad bro? lol

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:14 No. 15060 ID: 838b0b

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I wan to name that dog.
I will call him

Just like if you use the same accent of the "o" in dog but it's an e. DEEG!

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:16 No. 15061 ID: be9b39

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I'll have what he's having!

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:27 No. 15062 ID: 7d5109

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Pure artistry. The way you post is magnificent, sir. Has anyone ever seen such effortless selection of images? I think not. Your life will be remembered as one dedicated to the usage of correct pictures.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:29 No. 15063 ID: be9b39

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No use crying over spilled milk

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)20:40 No. 15064 ID: 7d5109

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Why would you cry over spilled milk?

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)21:00 No. 15065 ID: be9b39

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Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)21:16 No. 15066 ID: 7d5109

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I don't think you go to bed early. You sit in front of your screen way past midnight to practice your image picking skills.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)21:29 No. 15067 ID: be9b39

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It takes more muscles to frown than to smile

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)22:34 No. 15068 ID: 7d5109

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I don't think you smile at all because people around you use the wrong images all the time.

Anonymous 22/08/03(Wed)23:33 No. 15069 ID: be9b39

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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you’ll land among the stars.

Anonymous 22/08/04(Thu)20:10 No. 15073 ID: d08541

Ironically, such places see children having less freedom due to selfish adults not wanting to teach them about life.

Anonymous 22/08/05(Fri)03:12 No. 15075 ID: 7d5109

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I don't think you have time to look at the moon because you are busy staring at the right pictures like a true artist.

Anonymous 22/08/05(Fri)14:20 No. 15076 ID: 8b1330

I doubt children can grasp what freedom means or what it results in.

Anonymous 22/08/06(Sat)13:58 No. 15078 ID: 7d5109

Have you ever read Lord of the Flies? That book is a good example as to why freedom that is granted to those that can't handle it always ends in tragedy. You don't even need to read that book, you could always take a look at the cruelty of children in general.


Children act on impulses without hesitation and you can call this unfettered behaviour a true free will. It doesn't abide to anything besides self-gratification and the preservation of its own interests.

Anonymous 22/08/07(Sun)03:16 No. 15080 ID: dc1af3

Actually, that book was about what happens when a great reset happens. People use Lord Of The Flies as a reason to disqualify children from having basic rights.
Adults more or less do the same exact things, yet they're given freedom.

Again, I find it interesting that adults project the dark side of human nature onto children when adults are far more unfettered in self interest.

Adults don't know either. They pretend like they do.

Anonymous 22/08/07(Sun)04:20 No. 15081 ID: dc1af3

>Using religion as automatic virtue
>Confused socialism with neoliberalism

Wew, lad.
I bet you're one of those guys whom probably is atheist/agnostic but wants religion because it makes a good disciplinary rod to keep women and brown people in check only to find out that it doesn't do shit.

You're probably more likely to end up as an enemy of the church you fetishize so much

Anonymous 22/08/07(Sun)04:58 No. 15082 ID: dc1af3

Russia is part of Europe.

Anonymous 22/08/07(Sun)20:07 No. 15085 ID: 7d5109

Children in their earliest years have no discernment of what is good or bad. They act out of will alone and in accordance with what catches their attention. When they progress from the infancy and toddler stage they still haven't matured enough to be considered as fully aware of what their actions mean or what they mean to others. That's why it is impossible to diagnose children with sociopathic behaviour since you are not able to distinguish deviant, evil actions from childlike ignorance. A child that, for example, play rough with a kitten and kill it in the process could have intentions of actually causing harm to it or simply be unaware how to handle fragile little animals.
Keep in mind that if you tell the child (when it has killed an animal) that harming other creatures is wrong, it might start to cry, not because it feels sorry or have any remorse, but because it didn't get to do as it pleases or that it find angry adults scary because they encroach on its preferred course of action.

Anonymous 22/08/08(Mon)04:14 No. 15086 ID: 44e8de

Your last sentence is wrong. Kids do get upset about animals dying.
I mean, how many kids cry about pets dying?
Children aren't primal unconscious.
I can understand immature, but you trying to deny them any bit of humanity is disgusting.

They say the same about dogs. They say dogs don't really reciprocate feelings they just only respond to stimuli.
They also say dogs and cats and other animals in infancy are primal unconscious.

Anonymous 22/08/08(Mon)05:36 No. 15087 ID: 7d5109

>Last weekend my four-year-old daughter accidentally squeezed her pet rat to death. It was still a baby. I know that supervision is the answer for future contact with the rest of our pets, but I want to know how to deal with the fact that she actually killed something, even though it was (I hope) an accident. She knew something was wrong when she locked herself in the bathroom with it. My husband dealt with it by yelling at her and demanding he tell her what she had done. I, on the other hand, held her on my lap and told her I understood it was an accident and that she didn't mean to hurt her baby. Did I do the right thing? I don't believe that taking all her other pets away from her is the solution.

Notice how the girl locks herself in the bathroom with the deceased animal. She doesn't run to her mother crying but instead try to delay her punishment by hiding with the evidence. Children that age do not really grasp concepts like death in a way that make them feel remorse.

Anonymous 22/08/08(Mon)18:46 No. 15088 ID: 44e8de

She probably has regrets about killing the pet on accident and still fears punishment.

Kids have a strong fear of punishment, regardless of conscience or not.

Kids are not all the same where they must explosively show their feelings.
Adults assume external affect as mandatory trait for youth.

Anonymous 22/08/08(Mon)20:55 No. 15089 ID: 7d5109

The problem with your point of view is that children in general do not have any inhibitions when it comes to feelings and judging by the fact that the mother can't tell if it's an accident or not shows that the daughter displayed no real anxiety or qualms about killing a defenseless baby rat. I hate to break it to you but if you have ever been around children there is no doubt that they will cry over just about anything, like not wanting to put on clothes or if a toy is taken away from them. Unfortunately, the child you imagine in your head is probably a work of fiction.

Anonymous 22/08/09(Tue)03:38 No. 15090 ID: 44e8de

No, they're not fictional. Again, not all kids are external affect. Kids can be overcome with emotion to the point of paralyzed affect.

Also, there's neurodivergent ones. There's babies that don't cry at birth.

Anonymous 22/08/09(Tue)05:20 No. 15091 ID: 7d5109

By mentioning "neurodivergent" (everything from schizophrenia to ADHD) you just prove my point.

Anonymous 22/08/09(Tue)08:22 No. 15092 ID: 2cac95

Outliers are a bad example of how children function when the overwhelming majority cry during the slightest unpleasant experience.


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