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Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/10/26(Wed)10:01 No. 3905 ID: 4c1a8e [Reply] Stickied

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For growing and shit or whatever I present to you:


Put in whatever resources that fit in here, whether it's from wikipedia, youtube, some university, or where ever. Just remember to keep it within the board's guidelines and rules.
Use it or lose it, faggots.

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Anonymous 15/07/21(Tue)20:27 No. 12250 ID: 1e9d00

American Nihilist Underground Society
"Nihilism, Futurist Traditionalism and Conservationism"

I have found this to be a great positive influence on my life, not just philosophically/abstractly or in practical life matters, but also in the other things the site introduced me to. Got me into Nietzsche, Burroughs, and some pretty awesome metal bands I'd probably never have had heard of.

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This thread is for discussion of the validity of religion(s) and arguments for and against the existence of god/gods.

Any other new posts about this subject will be deleted, or locked and referred to this one.

New threads about religious concepts that play inside their own ruleset are allowed, and we kindly ask that you refrain from turning those well meaning threads into arguments about religion as a whole.

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Anonymous 18/04/24(Tue)18:14 No. 13506 ID: f28ee1

>not believing our thoughts form the universe
On a long enough timeline, nothing is beyond our control--unless we annihilate ourselves or allow ourselves to be annihilated.

READ THIS BEFORE POSTING YOU PILE OF FAGGOTS Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/09/09(Fri)04:51 No. 2371 ID: 175f07 [Reply] Locked Stickied

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Anonymous 16/12/24(Sat)23:39 No. 12763 ID: 0f36a6 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]

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Why are atheists so obsessed with aliens and other conspiracy theories? There is literally no credible evidence for their existence. Is it because they are immature manchildren?


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Anonymous 18/05/16(Wed)19:18 No. 13527 ID: 7d5109

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>OCTOPUSES are “aliens” which evolved on another planet before arriving on Earth hundreds of millions of years ago

>octopuses are too complex to explain with evolutionary biology
>they are aliens

Fedora tippers are losing it.

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:32 No. 13532 ID: 1e4c65

In the simplest terms, atheists are spiritually dead and have nothing to believe in, no cause to which to dedicate their lives. Therefore they latch on to MUH ALIENS and other stupid shit.
Seriously, if there are aliens we can find them in due time. Time to focus on cleaning up our own race and planet before we start fucking with others.

Anonymous 18/05/24(Thu)13:11 No. 13539 ID: 1bafe4

Fedora tippers are hilarious. This kind of "science" is what you get when you have manchildren running the universities.

Darwin and his mental retardation Anonymous 18/02/22(Thu)09:43 No. 13431 ID: 44a1c4 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]

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>A conclusion that two (or more) genes or proteins are homologous is a conjecture, not an experimental fact. We would be able to know for a fact that genes are homologous only if we could directly explore their common ancestor and all intermediate forms. Since there is no fossil record of these extinct forms, a decision on homology between genes has to be made on the basis of the similarity between them, the only observable variable that can be expressed numerically and correlated with probability.

>Taung Child's skull not human-like

How can anyone seriously believe in "evolution" when it all is based on a incomplete fossil record, that proves nothing, and comparative genetics that's just conjectures.

Fedora tippers are grasping at straws.

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Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:46 No. 13536 ID: 1e4c65

But what if the bacteria was simply well-suited enough to its environments that it could live easily in any one of them, and therefore only evolved slightly?
Besides, trusting such a sensationalised headline as that is just asking for trouble.

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:47 No. 13537 ID: 1e4c65

What about heat loss, energy cost of keeping legs? Think over your posts before writing them, please.

Anonymous 18/05/20(Sun)08:29 No. 13538 ID: d60c6c


The whole theory is indeed bull. Homology disproves it, for example. The development of the vertebrate kidney shows that different organs aren't generated from homologous embryonic tissue in several species. In fish and amphibia the kidney is derived from an embryonic organ known as the mesonephros, but in reptiles and mammals the mesonephros degenerates towards the end of embryonic life and plays no role in the formation of the adult kidney. It's formed from a discrete spherical mass of mesodermal tissue, the metanephros, which develops quite independently from the mesonephros.


That's because they want it to be true (wishful thinking). They can't physical prove it because all of those transitional forms that would represent the development of snake to lizard are nowhere to be found. I guess all they can do at this point is to tip their fedoras.

Selfish and speciesist behavior as 'genetic reproductive strategy Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)07:35 No. 13093 ID: d5439c [Reply]

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Here's a spicy one. It's pretty simple too. Maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Anyway, enjoy.


If a human does something to seriously harm and deprive fellow humans, or even something to seriously harm and deprive other species (for example, making them go extinct), is this poor and unintelligent 'genetic reproductive strategy'?

For example, let's just make some random, kind of exaggerated scenarios.

In scenario 1.) Elon Musk finds a way to reproduce by budding. The police try to stop him, so he is left with their choice to either surrender, or destroy Earth and create a self-sustaining colony on Mars. So, out of supposed good 'genetic reproductive strategy,' he goes through with the latter option. Sure, he succeeded in propagating his unique DNA more than otherwise, but he also destroyed the all species on Earth, one of which was carrying 99% DNA similar to him (humanity).

Another scenario, 2.) humanity finds a cure for cancer, but it involves killing all of the other primates. Humanity goes through with the plan, and all other primates are dead. Humanity helped itself thrive and prosper more by eliminating cancer, but what about the fact that many of those primates contained 95% similar DNA to humans? Humans succeeded in propagating the DNA that is unique to humans over the other primates, but they also hurt biodiversity and made it so that there will be no remaining primates if humans go extinct.

So is speciesist and extremely selfish strategy really beneficial 'genetic reproductive strategy'? Is it not better in terms of genetic propagation to focus on maintaining the biosphere and prolonging human existence, or is that unique DNA so much more important than the DNA in common?

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Anonymous 17/09/03(Sun)06:18 No. 13104 ID: d5439c

and another poster:

You are assuming that genes make long term decisions and try to determine the outcome of their strategies.

It is really just a bunch of programmed behaviors that happen to succeed or fail based on the environment.

"Kill wolves and eat those fuckers" works until there aren't any wolves left.

Then some other strategy works better. "Cannibal everyone and eat their brains."

Until a disease kills cannibals and not non-cannibals.

On and on and on in the circle of life.

Anonymous 18/05/13(Sun)19:48 No. 13524 ID: 04954d

Nature ((programmed)) itself so that one can never have too many good things - after a while, the good things must come to an end ; either due to a lack of resources or limited quantity and or some sort of malady/sickness/termination/expiration

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:36 No. 13534 ID: 1e4c65

Not in the scenarios you propose.
But killing off a species that was harming the biosystem in some way — that I would say was good.

Anonymous 16/11/06(Sun)06:36 No. 12702 ID: 57a468 [Reply]

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What is this, /phi/?

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Anonymous 18/05/13(Sun)22:09 No. 13525 ID: 9a8723

The chair represents the stiff and coldness of the narcissistic man this is shown due to the chair being made out of hard wood.

It could also represent the responsibility a man has to deal with due to his coming of age this means that as the wood changes into the shape of a chair as a more useful and effective product as does the person who becomes more mature and responsible as he changes for the better.

It could also represent strength this is shown by the fact that the chair is made of a hard wood instead of a soft wood. This symbolises strength because it shows that the outer layer of ones soul is crafted not through the soul itself but the people around him turning him into a stronger individual.

Anonymous 18/05/14(Mon)03:05 No. 13526 ID: 6c99e3

A) this is not a chair, it is a photo of a chair delivered online. you cannot discern between imitation and reality.
B) did you take your ideas about chair symbolism from some literary analysis paper?

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)19:34 No. 13533 ID: 1e4c65

An electronic copy of an image of a chair.

Plato's Democracy to Tyranny Anonymous 18/04/19(Thu)19:20 No. 13503 ID: 8bdadd [Reply]

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In the United States and other western democracies (see it's in the phrase). We are currently in a degenerate cosmopolitan democracy that values wealth, possessions, and sex over virtue and intellectual pursuits. From here individuals are atomized. They begin to hate their situation and they demand the rule of a tyrant. This explains the phenomena of Trump, the support for Bernie Sanders, and even some of the youths support for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.

As an American, I was surprised by the vociferous response of virtually any progressive millennial to brexit. I couldn't understand why they cared. Until it dawned on me, we have become so cosmopolitan that people want an all powerful supranational entity to rule over their quasi-bohemian lifestyle.

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Anonymous 18/05/13(Sun)15:35 No. 13522 ID: 9a8723

Its more than that democracy also promotes division it promotes say an us vs them mentality while a monarchy promotes unity between the people. This is why in history Monarchies have shown consistently being more stable than democracies.

Anonymous 18/05/17(Thu)02:24 No. 13528 ID: eea1c2

Monarchy in the modern age would more likely than not )just like most totalitarian dictatorships) would fall at the hands of corruption, the rich would thrive even more than they do today, the lower middle class and the poor would be forced to deal with high prices, the way most monarchs are so stable is the same reason most dictatorships would last, on top of that now you have a populous that know about democracy. Which is why I would think that the problem doesn't lie at the type of government, but at the ignorance of the people to nationalism and pride in their nation (Probably why people don't have that much of a problem with immigrants)
Surely if people wanted to follow and be lead by an all powerful entity, they would follow the what the media says, right?

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)18:25 No. 13531 ID: 1e4c65

>implying they don't follow what the media says unconditionally today

Anonymous 18/05/19(Sat)17:45 No. 13530 ID: 1c68b3 [Reply]

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Time is a fantasy; there is no such thing.

The cold indifference of the universe Anonymous 16/12/28(Wed)00:09 No. 12765 ID: 84060f [Reply]

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I do not necessarily have a fear of death. I actually sometimes think it would be cool to just not exist anymore and have nothing to worry about. It's still scary, but in comparison to what has begun to plague my thoughts it's nothing.

Anxiety has made me go through a lot. I used to be comfortable in my body and familiar with it. I felt happy, safe, and at home. After all the mental pain, intense stomach-crushing fear, I am left with an unsettling feeling about everything. I feel like I am a prisoner of reality. This universe summoned my consciousness here, with no choice on my part as far as I'm aware, to live this life, during which I have had to deal with these intense and horrible sensations.

The fact that there was nothing I could do about it, that there is no one to help, that the only thing I can reach out to is other monkeys in clothes who are also trapped in their own minds (though it's probably a better place in there), is incredibly isolating.

I have felt a pure, raw fear of death and eternity. I am no longer confident in reality. I am disturbed by its existence. I have no idea how I lived so long without thinking much of it.

The fact that it's probably possible that a few million years from now a group of aliens summons my consciousness again and induces torture and pain for thousands of years with no rest, and the universe just wouldn't care in its indifferent coldness, is terrifying. I'm scared of reality in that way. The fact that every horrible nightmare we can come up with could happen someday, and there is just no way to know.

This all feels very surreal. I feel uncomfortable being a brain. I can't trust my body not to get sick and give me a slow and painful or fast and even more painful death.

What is going on? Where are all the cameras?

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Anonymous 18/05/01(Tue)00:10 No. 13514 ID: 1bbee6

sounds like you misread plato a bit

Anonymous 18/05/08(Tue)00:56 No. 13517 ID: fe9887

I was put down under anaesthesia for a deviated septum (nose) correction. All I remember was the guy with the funny paper mask over his face putting the plastic mask over /my/ face. The next thing I remember is being wheeled out of the room as though the anaesthesia and procedure never happened. Time seemed to fold in on itself to my unconscious mind. If you let a dot represent a sensory frame that the brain senses and interprets (for example, an image seen by your eye accompanied with the sound of someone talking) separated by other sensory-framed dots (the connection between which is our sense of time in space as sequences of events unfold to the conscious mind), the character "|" to represent the event of putting the mask on my face, and if you let an underscore represent a lack of interpretation of events, as well as let a character space represent a unit of time, then what I experienced was as follows:

.............|.............._...._..._..__.___._________._____________[nothingness until anaesthesia begins to wear off]__________.______.____.__.._..._...........

There is something special about being put down under anaesthesia because you are getting a first-hand glimpse of the transition from being totally awake to being in an unconscious state. For all I could have known, a million years may have passed in this state and I would have woken up not knowing 1) the amount of time that had passed and 2) what happened to me during this time. No pain at all felt in this state. If for example something had went wrong, and my body reacted badly to the anaesthesia and I died, the wearing-off effect of the anaesthesia would not have happened and the former sequence of events would have been the last that I interpreted. So my interpretation of death is as follows: .

And it's not just the pain you don't feel. You lose sense of all time and awareness. Literally. Try to imagine the period between putting the mask on your face and being wheeled out of the room. You can't. That is because in that period, you didn't exist. Some philosophers say that we experience death every night when we go to bed. Because the asleep mind is not conscious, and time folds in on itself and before you know it 8 hours pass and you're suddenly awake again. There is no clear awareness of time in a slumbering state. It's the same non-existence as that which you were 500 years ago.

Yet despite this full awareness of what death is (or rather, isn't; it is absolute nothingness), I have had similar horrific, fearful thoughts of not only death itself, but the pain to get there.

Recently I had a traumatic event which lead me to believe I was |-| that close to death. An event of this severity left its mark on my trauma-free brain and now 2 months have passed since and the anxiety of such thoughts which never plagued me before consume many of my thoughts in bed. Against Message too long. Click here to view the full text.

Anonymous 18/05/18(Fri)08:09 No. 13529 ID: 9efe9c

Man up, stop being such a pussy.

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