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Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/10/26(Wed)10:01 No. 3905 ID: 4c1a8e [Reply] Stickied

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For growing and shit or whatever I present to you:


Put in whatever resources that fit in here, whether it's from wikipedia, youtube, some university, or where ever. Just remember to keep it within the board's guidelines and rules.
Use it or lose it, faggots.

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Anonymous 20/06/18(Thu)07:06 No. 14554 ID: 7cb4c3

Marcus Aurelius' Meditations is pretty pacifist

Plato's Dialogues are existentialist

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This thread is for discussion of the validity of religion(s) and arguments for and against the existence of god/gods.

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Anonymous 20/12/30(Wed)03:10 No. 14675 ID: 1b5143

>We'd regress as a species
Ironically, this is literally the only possible future for humanity. Regression to a primitive hunter-gatherer lifestyle, with a total species population of less than 500 million. As things stand, human extinction from climate change and biosphere collapse is virtually guaranteed by the end of the century.

One can only HOPE that things don't just keep going as they are, because then there will be nothing left.

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Questions Anonymous 19/02/23(Sat)04:57 No. 13901 ID: 243bfa [Reply]

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I admit that although I have had an interest in philosophy for the past few months, I am not adequately read, even for the particular issues that have interested me, so I apologize if I have issues with clarity.

I've been taken hold by the ideas of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, but particularly Nietzsche.

I've done my best to deal with the striking personal effect that Schopenhauer's postulation that life is meaningless suffering and boredom. I find it too grim and I've found myself naturally gravitating away from it, likely for my own sanity. Instead, Nietzsche has been of more interest to me due to his life-affirming philosophy. However, as much as I'd like to agree with his idea that personal meaning can be found, it just doesn't stick.

Aren't we all just working and eating to keep ourselves alive? For what? Is there anything that can be found in the pursuit of a meaningful existence that will truly fulfill us and help us escape the void? However we decide to find that meaning, whether it be virtue, love, carnal sensations, refined aesthetic pleasure, or whatever else I can't think of, is it truly enough?

While this pertains to the previous paragraph, I wanted to better emphasize this idea: if you live aesthetically, either through art or as an artist, is there anything new? I feel like there aren't any 'boundaries' to be broken in this limited world, which leads me to another question: can an individual be TRULY unique, is there a way they can define themselves that distinguishes themselves from everyone else?

Someone please enlighten me. Open to all responses

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Anonymous 19/07/30(Tue)23:53 No. 14045 ID: 76c270

Not the same guy, but i really wanna know why is that? Seeing things as games - as obstacles to be overcomed - is the only tangible, "meaningful" thing us humans can do, is it not?

Teleology doesn't explain behavior, afteral. The only thing there is is adaptation to one's environment. "Evolution" is a misleading term.

And, as all the harmful social constructs, vague modern ideals, sedentarism and alianation teached us, the notion of surplus (be it as symbolic culture or material sum) isn't as good as mass society makes you believe.

So, by giving up on useless things like the surrogate activities and cultural delusions of civilization, what is left other than playing a game of adaptation?

Anonymous 21/01/04(Mon)00:41 No. 14676 ID: e87645

Hello good sir, starting with your first point regarding fulfillment, I'd argue that life has no defined purpose, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that life is all suffering and boredom. Life is a varying mix of emotions, suffering and boredom are apart of the human condition, but so are joy and relief. William James would likely say that you should continue doing whatever makes life living to you, but I reckon you should do enough with your life, so when you die you'll be somewhat satisfied with how you lived.

As for your question regarding uniqueness, Nietzsche wrote about a concept of eternal recurrence/eternal return. If you look into this I think you'll find an answer to your question. There is also a short story titled "Library of Babel" that deals with this uniqueness conundrum.

Anonymous 21/01/20(Wed)20:19 No. 14678 ID: 835021

What was the lesson I was SUPPOSED to learn from Library of Babel? Because all I got from it was that, given infinite combinations, the vast majority of it would be completely useless nonsense. Maybe that's supposed to be similar to human uniqueness? That yeah, everyone is unique, but most of those combinations are pointless and useless?

I accuse programmers of bourgeoisie Anonymous 19/06/17(Mon)23:46 No. 14025 ID: 15b1a5 [Reply]

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I wrote an essay https://byrd.im/on-language/

It’s in everyone’s best interest to take system design of computer networks out of greedy and possessive hands of software engineers, attempting a little revolution-like sleight of hand trick, that would allow anyone concerned with things like language, logic, and problem-solving—to easily learn about, or maybe even directly affect how things around them are run.

Anonymous 19/06/24(Mon)19:52 No. 14034 ID: de2ddf


TommyLee 21/01/14(Thu)19:30 No. 14677 ID: 6794c2

Actually, I don't really understand what your work is about. I was just writing an essay about web development recently and had to choose a topic. I looked at a site with free essays online https://sccis.org/ for work that students write and I wrote about web development methods. I wonder what you mean in your paper.

Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 ID: 1cc955 [Reply]

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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 20/05/19(Tue)08:57 No. 14504 ID: 7cb4c3

You should really have more coffee OP

Anonymous 20/12/20(Sun)20:29 No. 14666 ID: ed5c99

I seriously have a problem conceiving of an action that is neither deterministic or random. Even if we have immaterial souls, I don't see how one can make a rational decision without some degree of determinism.
Think about it, how can you make an informed decision without reacting to the information you have, which is just cause and effect.
There is also the problem that even if you can do what you want, you cannot choose what you want, or even if you can, that just adds an extra step, you cannot choose what you want to want and so on.
No matter the rule of the universe or the nature of consciousness, free will seems to me to be an incoherent idea, maybe I'm just a brainlet

Anonymous 20/12/23(Wed)02:25 No. 14670 ID: 17fbe3

Humans are simple input -> output machines. It can't produce an idea or a thought or a concept from nothing any more than a closed system can produce energy from nothing. All of human creation is based upon what came before it, which was in turn originally based on observations of nature.

Really, "random" is a human conceit. It's mathematical shorthand for "we can't perfectly predict that because we can't measure accurately enough to account for all the variables". The problem with assuming the existence of free will or consciousness is that it's a Russian Nesting Doll of a smaller and smaller homunculus. Eventually you have to accept that there is no such thing, like a "soul", where a human being resides. It's just a writhing, struggling, amorphous collection of chemicals and solids that generally as a whole moves toward self-preservation. The idea that people have "free will" can easily be debunked after five minutes of talking with a clinically depressed person.

But that doesn't imply determinism. Random things still happen, they're just largely outside human control. If a plane flying above me suddenly had a catastrophic malfunction and crashed onto my house, crushing my body into strawberry jelly and disassociating any semblance of complex life, it would be random. But nothing "decided" this would happen (certainly I did not). It just happened.

Obsession with freedom Anonymous 20/02/09(Sun)14:55 No. 14401 ID: 7d5109 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]

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>George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia, at the age of twenty in 1752. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebrations and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic lodges that formed within army regiments.
>Such was Washington’s character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained “a just and upright Mason.” Brother Washington was, in Masonic terms, a “living stone” who became the cornerstone of American civilization.

The American Constitution is the founding document that supposedly promotes freedom for individuals regardless of creed or religion but when you look at who wrote this document it becomes fairly obvious that all this is a mere reflection of slave owning anarchists that refused to obey others. It stipulates that people have a right to bare arms and own land but with what justification? The constitutional rights espoused in the U.S.A seem to be nothing more than the extension of self-righteous egotism that in the modern day society results in mass shootings and exploitation of other people. It's not about building a functional society, it's about protecting oneself from everything that goes against your own interests.

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Anonymous 20/12/20(Sun)04:54 No. 14665 ID: f57f27

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Let me guess, elderly crackpot upset about pretty much everything, TV has a shoe through its screen

Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:31 No. 14667 ID: e08dd8

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I loathe misleading graphs. Here's one with the y-axis not cropped to suggest something unsupported by the data.

America was overwhelmingly religious. IT STILL IS.

Anonymous 20/12/21(Mon)05:39 No. 14668 ID: e08dd8

Addendum: The amount of people identifying as religious declined 9% in 20 years. Assuming the rate does not change, this suggests that it will reach zero in about another 190 years, so the year 2204 or so.

America, and probably literally everything else, will long since have ceased to exist by then.

Anarchist Q&A Anonymous 18/08/18(Sat)01:24 No. 13599 ID: c89d35 [Reply]

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(Doesn't even have to be about my politics)

I'm sick and fucking tired of seeing people over worked, over taxed, and under payed. Fire at will.

Anonymous 18/08/18(Sat)12:46 No. 13601 ID: 2ce276

sure why not

Given that, without civil government, people ultimately come under the power of the strongest and most aggressive forces who eventually demand the wealth of others (e.g., the mafia), how does your anarchist stance *sustainably* help people to have more leisure time, reduce their taxes, or receive fairer compensation for their work?

Anonymous 20/12/14(Mon)00:52 No. 14663 ID: baa2f3

What are you on?

Anonymous 20/12/14(Mon)22:55 No. 14664 ID: 72281e

Any model of anarchy simply results in small collectives of power that over time coalesce into larger collectives, which become governments. This is how society happened the first time around. Why would you possibly think you can prevent this should it happen again? You can't just NOT HAVE ANYONE IN CHARGE; a civilization cannot function that way. Hell, a book club with five members won't function that way.

You'll note that there really isn't any such thing as anarchist movements in countries with good social welfare systems. In those countries, their taxes actually go to stuff they use like free higher education, state healthcare, and city beautification; they have no problem paying their taxes. Contrast that to in America, where taxes go to bailout corporations, to line the wallet of billionaire CEOs, and fund the military industrial complex. Plus there are no worker protections so everyone ends up underpaid and overworked.

Really, the question I will provide is actually a rhetorical one: why the fuck are you proposing eliminating government, when the reality is you just want a government that functions properly?

rant Anonymous 17/08/07(Mon)14:32 No. 13061 ID: 1460ee [Reply]

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i wonder how all us millennials turn out
our attitude towards the struggle in transitioning from child to adult can either be anger directed towards the economic system or towards those who raised us unprepared (liberal parenting, university system)
it’s definitely a combination of both, but i think the latter deserves more scrutiny. It’s easier to fix and coming to terms with it will make you happier than understanding economic injustices. I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds, marx created or re-appropriated the term exploitation and makes value judgments about the economy that make sense only through a certain lens. I don’t think this viewpoint will ever gain majority support, it’s an anti humanistic theory in the way it assumes victim hood for poor people, they are “exploited” beyond control. The theory reduces people to non-autonomous beings when in reality there can be many reasons people do not succeed economically. In a communistic society would you even be responsible for your own feelings and emotions? A murderer must surely be held morally accountable, which already seems to contradict the idea that poverty is an injustice. In both systems people MUST be held morally accountable therefore its all a matter of preference. Which moral lens do you choose to view from? It would help greatly if the communists clearly set their moral standards, in doing so they would admit to the fact that humans have autonomy and moral obligation. Capitalism clearly sets its own standards and has its own moral code embedded in the way the economy functions, in rewarding certain members of society more than others. Communism has no replacement, and coupled with social liberalism has nothing to say about the value of individual behavior whatsoever. In order to move forward the left must rework or forget marx, the rise of the alt right and Trump’s presidency have made this clear.

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Anonymous 17/10/03(Tue)19:23 No. 13206 ID: 418d7a

That's more of a policy and practicality question than a philosophical one. I think that philosophy has a place in politics, but it's not administration of the system. We have too much development going on with the economic system in the first place just to keep up with that, and the economic system right now is already stressed to the limits providing for people who don't/can't contribute.
If you look at the IMF and how the federal reserve work, read some books on quantitative easing, I think you might come to a similar conclusion I have. It's a unicorn fart economy. The question the best and brightest I've read are asking is just how to structure this correctly, and the blockchain is pretty much what governments are going to be forced to adopt, like Singapore did.
>reforge marx
They've been doing that since his book came out. The problem in my mind is that people are attached to political philosophies and are disconnected from political realities. The political reality right now in america is actually the most successful welfare state in human history. If that isn't communism, socialism, whatever, than what is? Do you want everyone to put on grey uniforms and live in commie blocks?
America is a wonderful place and it's made all of this possible through nigh infinite sacrifice, that will continue into the future as well. The American left is acting like they are playing catch-up with the social policies of europe, while the American right has thrown in their flag with the democrats. I've observed this from listening to hours and hours of NPR and Red Eye Radio(conservative-libertarian). Single payer was locked in since obama passed obamacare. The reason why is that the American people want free money, they don't care or understand the future cost of that free money because they want to be even more comfortable.
As for you millennials, most people don't mature mentally much as they grow up. It's up to you decide where you'll end up.

Anonymous 20/11/29(Sun)21:28 No. 14651 ID: 686190

you think communism is free money? lol get off this board

Anonymous 20/12/10(Thu)04:37 No. 14658 ID: d05cda

>I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds
Yet capitalism is literally causing human extinction as we speak. Destroying the environment because it's hilariously profitable.

Terrorists attacks in France Aluakma Ass 20/10/30(Fri)01:42 No. 14618 ID: 3dfd61 [Reply]

It fucking disgusts me knowing that fucking nigger which attacked the church in Nice is still alive and breathing. He should be executed and shot dead for hes crimes against humanity. He literally beheaded a 70 year old lady because of his sick demonic religion. Europe get your fucking shit together and take those fucking immigrants somewhere else. Sincerely we need a new crusade as a catholic im sick of watching churches being burned throughout Europe while the Pope talks about legalizing marriage for faggots. In my opinion anyone who pulls a weapon in public and starts to attack innocent people should be shot dead on the spot because I sincerely think their lives are worth less than a grain of salt.
Aluakma Ass

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Anonymous 20/11/24(Tue)13:14 No. 14644 ID: 65239c

>Sincerely we need a new crusade
Hmm yes this will surely stop terrorism

>the Pope talks about legalizing marriage for faggots
Imagine believing in Papal supremacy lol. 1054 was a mistake

Anonymous 20/11/25(Wed)07:36 No. 14647 ID: 7cb4c3

No muslims no terrorists

Anonymous 20/12/01(Tue)01:42 No. 14653 ID: 3a3ad7

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I'm not so sure about that one m8

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