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Terrorists attacks in France Aluakma Ass 20/10/30(Fri)01:42 No. 14618 ID: 3dfd61 [Reply]

It fucking disgusts me knowing that fucking nigger which attacked the church in Nice is still alive and breathing. He should be executed and shot dead for hes crimes against humanity. He literally beheaded a 70 year old lady because of his sick demonic religion. Europe get your fucking shit together and take those fucking immigrants somewhere else. Sincerely we need a new crusade as a catholic im sick of watching churches being burned throughout Europe while the Pope talks about legalizing marriage for faggots. In my opinion anyone who pulls a weapon in public and starts to attack innocent people should be shot dead on the spot because I sincerely think their lives are worth less than a grain of salt.
Aluakma Ass

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Anonymous 20/11/24(Tue)13:14 No. 14644 ID: 65239c

>Sincerely we need a new crusade
Hmm yes this will surely stop terrorism

>the Pope talks about legalizing marriage for faggots
Imagine believing in Papal supremacy lol. 1054 was a mistake

Anonymous 20/11/25(Wed)07:36 No. 14647 ID: 7cb4c3

No muslims no terrorists

Anonymous 20/12/01(Tue)01:42 No. 14653 ID: 3a3ad7

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I'm not so sure about that one m8

Anonymous 17/02/17(Fri)01:00 No. 12819 ID: f7426b [Reply]

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Why does Ayn Rand get so much criticism? I've only read The Fountainhead from her but from what I gather objectivism seems like it makes sense. It's kind of like this rational self interest that's similar to Nietzsche's philosiphy

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Anonymous 17/12/18(Mon)07:29 No. 13388 ID: 76670c

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Don't ask anyone born in the 21st century.

Anonymous 17/12/22(Fri)08:30 No. 13394 ID: 55722c

What if I ask futurepeople.. 5-sided poly*

Anonymous 20/11/29(Sun)21:29 No. 14652 ID: 686190

she should have starved to death in the middle of the woods by the logic of her own philosophy

Nothing matters Anonymous 17/07/13(Thu)06:34 No. 13003 ID: 8bb3c7 [Reply]

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We all die alone, because of this nothing we do inherently matters. There is no point to life, there is no point in living. Enjoy if you can, exist if you wish, and die. Thus is the lot of mortals

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Anonymous 20/10/20(Tue)10:40 No. 14613 ID: 7cb4c3

Build up for yourself treasures in Heaven

Anonymous 20/11/24(Tue)13:17 No. 14645 ID: 65239c

>We all die alone, because of this nothing we do inherently matters
I'm don't see how these two statements are related

>One is to keep the living immortal, using science and 2 is to destroy them using science
You think science can stop entropy or the Big Bang? You are nuts

Anonymous 20/11/25(Wed)07:38 No. 14648 ID: 7cb4c3

I'm actually a religious person, but the end goal of science is definitely to sustain life infinitely. It could be possible

The reign of philosophical terror Anonymous 20/01/24(Fri)21:43 No. 14383 ID: 3d935b [Reply]

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Who's next on the chopping block?

Epic+stomach+tumour 20/09/22(Tue)14:51 No. 14591 ID: 220f76

Is this an is-ought fallacy? The fallacy I'm thinking of can basically be boiled down to:

I don't understand this and/or I don't like this. Therefore, it's invalid.

Anonymous 20/10/20(Tue)10:44 No. 14615 ID: 7cb4c3


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Rights Anonymous 17/03/22(Wed)10:09 No. 12857 ID: bfae6f [Reply]

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a. Are rights natural? Or b. products of society/government?

a1. If rights are natural, do they only apply to humans?

a1a. Why do they only apply to humans?

a2. How can rights be natural if life isn't a necessary condition for the universe to exist (meaning if all life were to cease to exist, the universe would still be here)?

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Anonymous 20/06/03(Wed)17:03 No. 14516 ID: 380234

Wesley Newcomb Hohfeld could help explain rights.
Without duties, there could be no rights.
By the way, human rights, animals rights, ect. do not exist because there are no duties to balance those so called rights.

Anonymous 20/06/04(Thu)07:07 No. 14519 ID: 7cb4c3

That makes sense, you would need some sort of specific action to reference

Anonymous 20/07/10(Fri)07:17 No. 14569 ID: e82b87

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Rights are things granted to you by the government, think of them as privileges of sort and why should cops have guns but not the people, sounds like a issue waiting to happen considering how often cops are exposed for brutality.

DEATH you are a machine Anonymous 20/01/21(Tue)12:44 No. 14371 ID: 461340 [Reply]

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Inspired by a stupid argument in a different place.

If you define death as absolute annihilation you can not experience the state of death its impossible.

You are a machine a computer.
Only that's incorrect your body is.
You the mind are the web browser that runs on a OS on a physical machine.

You can literally test this in computers, yes even ancient ones to see the reasoning is valid.

If you preform a true full shutdown the web browser will have no idea what happened. The web browser can not experience the state of being shut down. However it can experience the processes leading to it.

The internet is the world you/browser interact with. The history of the browser is your/browser memory of events that happened. If the browser is not functioning it can not record anything in its memory.

Therefore its impossible for a browser or any software to experience the state of not being active.
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Anonymous 20/06/11(Thu)10:45 No. 14523 ID: 7cb4c3

If you think of death in the terms we now understand then you would be right OP, however it is possible death is something we do not yet fully grasp.

"Conciousness" is technically the state of being aware of your surroundings, although it sounds like the guy was dabbling a bit in fluma-juma

Something that would hurt this analogy is the server. The server retains the information used on your computer.

I actually believe in life after death. The soul, whatever you personally believe could be different but I believe in a true life after death, a resurrection.

The period between the two experiences could be called death, that would (may) be something we could not experience as per the analogy.

Anonymous 20/06/13(Sat)23:53 No. 14525 ID: 305acd

Your post is interesting however
> this analogy is the server. The server retains the information used on your computer.
HUH? What where? I excluded any servers I know kids these days (comedy voice "KIDS THESE DAYS") have a more and more server oriented way of living see cloud.

However servers are only computers and if eliminated or not used in the scenario (ignore steam cloud saves) like its the 1990s the scenario holds.

You can have 2 PC "talk to one another" over 1 Ethernet cable with no need for the internet. The other PC would remember you the same way the people you interact with will remember you even if you die.

I used the internet because its the cheapest and easiest to understand interaction method.

You can do the same with a robot that has cameras and a robot body to move around etc.

Only examining the memory of this robot will be far more hard and less intuitive then looking what your internet web browsing history looks like under history.

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Anonymous 20/06/15(Mon)09:12 No. 14547 ID: 7cb4c3

So the server retains your information ("soul"), like your history. The robot example you used would imply that the functions were limited to that robot which is not the case for consciousness, IMO.

The awareness mimicked by a computer function such as a robot taking pictures of cats would not allow the system used to properly assess its functions on its own. Being aware is not just the utility of the eye, but the process of seeing.

I really think the soul (every soul) cannot die as it was never made with the intent to stop functioning. Death can only occur in things without a soul, say a computer. People can die in our earthly sense but the reality of death is something no soul will ever grasp.

Selfish and speciesist behavior as 'genetic reproductive strategy Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)07:35 No. 13093 ID: d5439c [Reply]

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Here's a spicy one. It's pretty simple too. Maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Anyway, enjoy.


If a human does something to seriously harm and deprive fellow humans, or even something to seriously harm and deprive other species (for example, making them go extinct), is this poor and unintelligent 'genetic reproductive strategy'?

For example, let's just make some random, kind of exaggerated scenarios.

In scenario 1.) Elon Musk finds a way to reproduce by budding. The police try to stop him, so he is left with their choice to either surrender, or destroy Earth and create a self-sustaining colony on Mars. So, out of supposed good 'genetic reproductive strategy,' he goes through with the latter option. Sure, he succeeded in propagating his unique DNA more than otherwise, but he also destroyed the all species on Earth, one of which was carrying 99% DNA similar to him (humanity).

Another scenario, 2.) humanity finds a cure for cancer, but it involves killing all of the other primates. Humanity goes through with the plan, and all other primates are dead. Humanity helped itself thrive and prosper more by eliminating cancer, but what about the fact that many of those primates contained 95% similar DNA to humans? Humans succeeded in propagating the DNA that is unique to humans over the other primates, but they also hurt biodiversity and made it so that there will be no remaining primates if humans go extinct.

So is speciesist and extremely selfish strategy really beneficial 'genetic reproductive strategy'? Is it not better in terms of genetic propagation to focus on maintaining the biosphere and prolonging human existence, or is that unique DNA so much more important than the DNA in common?

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Anonymous 20/05/01(Fri)17:45 No. 14477 ID: aef41d

>Genetic selection is not even about propagating your exact genes, it is about the continuation of the series that contains your genes
This is still, STILL assigning more intelligence to a process that has zero. Life does not have a goal. Life does not have a "plan". Life does not have an endgame.

It's better to think of all the movement of life in much simpler terms. Like a ball rolling down a hill. All life "wants" and "seeks" to do is keep rolling. Though a variety of complex environmental pressures and adaptations (think: bumps and dips on the hill) it must change its behavior to keep rolling, but that doesn't mean its goal has changed.

When looked at this way, all of "life" is just an extension of the first law of thermodynamics; that is: life is a continuation of the physical property of inertia.

There is no such thing as a "reproductive strategy". It's only "this works" and "this does not work".

Anonymous 20/05/19(Tue)09:00 No. 14505 ID: 7cb4c3

Technically DNA still retains the options to revert back if needed over evolution. Say scenario 2 happened, humans could still evolve into primates if black people were alive

Anonymous 20/05/20(Wed)14:04 No. 14510 ID: 78d00d

>But killing off a species that was harming the biosystem in some way — that I would say was good.
Bye bye humanitie

Anonymous 17/04/01(Sat)20:24 No. 12871 ID: fe9887 [Reply]

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General life axioms you've noticed. State the axiom, and then the reason. If no reason is known, write "Reason: N/A". Feel free to argue at will, but only if you think you are 100% certain.

The format should go as follows (Axiom: , Reason: , As a result: ):

Axiom: Two people who have adapted to society's values cannot be equally in love with each other.

Reason: Falling in love renders the person who has fallen in love vulnerable. This vulnerability contradicts the social character/facade they have created for themselves and the very reason the Loved liked the faller in the first place. If both fall in love at the same time, they both notice one another's vulnerability and cancel each other out, rendering the connection emotionless.

As a result: Only one of two possible connections can happen.
1) One of the two socially-based members takes the role of being emotionally stable and stoic, loving the other person or not, and the other takes the role of falling in love. This is what was traditionally intended with man being the former, and woman the latter.
2) Both members have adapted to the non-social life where the true self without a facade blocking it flourishes. The intelligent mind sees and understands that all human beings, including themselves, are vulnerable and endears this thought commonly among others.

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Anonymous 20/05/02(Sat)14:24 No. 14484 ID: bf594d

Your point?

Anonymous 20/05/02(Sat)15:00 No. 14485 ID: fca2d4

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I'm assuming you're in favour of it....

Anonymous 20/05/04(Mon)12:59 No. 14488 ID: 377469

Of course I'm not. Most humans are too damned stupid to successfully court members of their own species, much less navigate sex with animals without getting themselves maimed over it.

Anonymous 20/01/12(Sun)12:03 No. 14345 ID: cf30bf [Reply]

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based on some personal experiences, I'm pretty sure [a] god's real and "chats" with people from time to time, now I'm in a bind about free will, but even then, saying there is no god, if precognitive dreams exist, how would that impact free will (precognitive dreams are dreams of future events that actually happen)

so far, this experience doesn't actually break with the deist world view (there's no monty python god cinematics or anything), or a near atheistic world view, that one stance where god created everything and set themselves apart from it because he left a bunch of bullshit in the world, nothing supernatural, just timings of things, like you're thinking about a topic and the television brings up exactly what you need to hear at that moment

it's a highly subjective experience and there's a myriad of possibilities for each incident to happen, but if you get a chain of them then the probability it's something else starts approaching zero

this bothers me because before this I was a pretty strict atheist, but what's more, I've had a few dreams that closely resemble later events in my life

I've had a few people bring up topics that are [extremely] important later in life too

A: this makes a joke of free will as far as I can tell since I'm being told things are going to be the way they are later

B: I could be wrong about god being separated from the world but wouldn't know if this means it's just really good at intervening to make things seem like a laboratory environment level of control, or if it's genuinely omnipotent and separated from the universe

I know with a fair bit of normal intellectual certainty I've had a little hand in touching on bigger world stuff even if it's 1-2 degrees of separation, and now I've got something similar to synchronicity constantly intruding on my thoughts
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Anonymous 20/01/26(Sun)21:10 No. 14388 ID: 930f89


I think you misunderstand, I'm in the thousands of positives already, and I codified the positives to only matter if it's something jarringly out of place

randomly at night I told a joke to a buddy and got a laughing type chittering sound from the dead of night

Anonymous 20/01/26(Sun)21:11 No. 14389 ID: 930f89

either way this doesn't help on the philosophical end because with destiny that means free will doesn't exist, but with interference by god, even the illusion of free will is shattered


Anonymous 20/05/01(Fri)16:56 No. 14472 ID: aef41d

>I'm in the thousands of positives already
List them. Right fucking now. If you can get over a few dozen I'll eat my shorts.

"I don't remember them!" just means you're lying.

Anonymous 20/03/11(Wed)05:35 No. 14433 ID: 4adf0e [Reply]

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I used to struggle with addiction and through my recovery I’ve seen quite a bit, more than I’ve seen in active addiction.
I’ve always been one to pray foxhole prayers, only hoping to get out of a situation I got myself into, but never once was grateful if it worked out. I felt different all my life from other people growing up through whether you’d like to call it mental illness or what, but I call it lacking spirituality. Always felt alone, confused, lacking, powerless, frustrated, I eventually started using methamphetamine to try to cope with life.
I came into rehab this last July after detoxing in county, and learned a few principles that I hold true. For me, I need a consciousness of God in my life, without it I would relapse. Surrender is a way to come to God, but ceasing to fight the world is how I find peace. God can and will do for you if He is sought.
If anyone is still questioning God or holding a resentment towards God for a prayer that hasn’t worked, think about what you had to offer and if you would’ve followed through.
All in all, religion helps some, spirituality helps all, love God, love your neighbors, and cease fighting to be victorious.
Ephesians 2:10

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Anonymous 20/03/26(Thu)14:45 No. 14457 ID: 8f537d

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Except if you get into therapy you can deal with your psychosis and what drove you to be an addict in one fell swoop.

Anonymous 20/05/01(Fri)16:51 No. 14470 ID: aef41d

Yeah, but therapy costs like a million dollars.

Anonymous 20/06/18(Thu)03:27 No. 14553 ID: bc71d6

Only in America.

Its a big world out there.

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