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Anonymous 22/04/06(Wed)12:45 No. 14921 ID: ba1dec [Reply]

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Redpill me on anti-natalism. Kinda want to be convinced but I just can’t find any compelling arguments.

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Anonymous 22/10/30(Sun)02:42 No. 15166 ID: 9e90b6


"Hey i dont belive in something because it makes no sense to me, please make me belive in it anyway"

Literally asking to be brainwashed

Anonymous 22/11/19(Sat)22:40 No. 15180 ID: 42abbd

"the world is filled with suffering" is just as much of an anthropocentric and obviously empirical viewpoint as believing that "life has a greater meaning", for me anti natalism immeadiatly falls apart at its first step

Anonymous 22/11/25(Fri)16:35 No. 15187 ID: 62621f

Well yeah, of course the view is based on the human experience. No one is saying it's "objectively right" in some metaphysical sense about the universe as a whole, people don't really try to say that about anything.

Heroic Doooze Anonymous 22/03/11(Fri)19:07 No. 14912 ID: 3b8fbf [Reply]

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Anonymous 22/07/06(Wed)08:50 No. 14986 ID: 0f2aa5

McKenna tries too hard to come up with a valid argument as to why humans have self-awareness that he gets lost in his own mental masturbation.

Anonymous 22/08/11(Thu)12:00 No. 15093 ID: e3da1b

According to McKenna hallucinogenic mushrooms come from outer space. Alien fungi, so to speak.

Anonymous 22/11/08(Tue)10:17 No. 15171 ID: 9eef2a

McKenna is a true tinfoil hat hippie.

Anonymous 22/04/06(Wed)16:34 No. 14922 ID: 58541f [Reply]

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I want to believe in antinatalism as it would mean I have nothing to fear about death and that’s really appealing to me since I’m quite afraid of dying but I haven’t found any of the arguments convincing.

Red pill me on antinatalism, convince me it would have been better if I was never born.

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Anonymous 22/10/27(Thu)19:22 No. 15163 ID: 049bc8

I really think that a lot of wisdom can be obtained through considering the anti-natalist view without actually becoming one. I accept that life is inherently painful and that by having a child you are subjecting them to pain they would not otherwise have to deal with. I also accept that I want to have kids, and the awareness of point A will not stop me. The end result is planning to have kids but recognizing the ordeal I'm putting them through and being very thoughtful about how I raise them.

Basically, I do not intend to act like they should thank me profusely just for bring them to life and not letting them starve until they're 18. I know that human beings need a hell of a lot more to be reasonably happy and free from suffering, and it's not fair to act like it's entirely on them to get it for themselves. I will be responsible for giving them the problem of scarcity, thus I have a considerable obligation to help them deal with it.

Anonymous 22/10/30(Sun)02:34 No. 15165 ID: 9e90b6


I think the original post was more about OPs stance on death rather than the ethical implications of having kids, I think we're side tracking here.

Anyway, looking at life as a patchwork of either painful of happy experiences and trying to weight it on that basis is absolute insanity.
No, life is not inherently painful, and its not inherently happy. Its more complex than that and cannot be racionalized in such simplistic ways

You're not subjecting your future kids to torture by bringing them to the world. Hopefully your kids wont see life so black and white, hopefully they understand its many shades of grey

Anonymous 22/11/01(Tue)15:57 No. 15168 ID: 049bc8

>no sidetracking allowed on a board that gets two posts a week and all them are about the same dead-end topic
yeah okay buddy

Anonymous 22/07/06(Wed)04:33 No. 14985 ID: e60093 [Reply]

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The point of life is to grow up.
So why are humans so obsessed with childhood? And while being misopediac?

Why does society go at great lengths to patronize the youth for developing any sense of individuality?

Whenever I hear an adult say "I wish I was a kid again", what I see is "I suck at adulting and I hate responsibility".

Most people are plagued by childish desires but instead of reconciliation and growing into true adulthood, they'd rather pout and moan inwardly.

It's no wonder why midlife crisis is blending into quarter-life crisis.
It's no wonder why adolescence is being lengthened.
In fact, adolescence is artificial.

I'm dramatising, but I'm not joking when I think that there's an undercurrent of fear/contempt for maturation.

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Anonymous 22/09/14(Wed)00:42 No. 15141 ID: fc1402

"Maternal predisposition" is mostly subliminal suggestion from patriarchy.
But the rest of your post is right. Despite the constant complaints about "kids these days", most of those complaints are because of societal smothering.
People think children should only belong in school, that partaking of labor and dating or politics and worldly recreation is child abuse.

There's a reason why society had rites of passage at 12-15. Puberty is the start of adulthood.

Adolescence is artificial childhood. It was made for schools, insurance policies, and entertainment to profit off of young peoples legal castration.

It was made also to get older adults to indulge in toys and degeneracy to appease their midlife crisis.

In the animal kingdom, when babies start to walk or fly, the parents take the offspring to hunt or forage.
Humans put their babies in playpen and psych meds.

Deleuze+Student+ 22/09/15(Thu)14:31 No. 15145 ID: e0f8fb

Becouse Childism is based .
We shuld think like child
Truley only the wonderfull tougths can begin there .

Anonymous 22/09/15(Thu)16:18 No. 15146 ID: fce29e

People use children as metaphors of faux pas. Also, children aren't inherently innocent/idealistic.

They have the same drives for money,sex,politics, and toys like adults do, but it's beaten out out them.

It's a shame because I think society would benefit from worldly awareness in youth.

Thinking like a schizo Deleuze Student 22/09/15(Thu)14:27 No. 15144 ID: e0f8fb [Reply]

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I think that we shuld apply Schizoanalysis to all things that we do wether it’s political , writing or painting.
We shuld move beyond the limits of boxes and go in and out of our zones to achive maximum creativity.

¿por qué existance? Anonymous 22/09/07(Wed)03:29 No. 15128 ID: ebb45e [Reply]

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Its a question that, if you're on this board, you've probably thought about before. I'd find it interesting to know what you've come up with.

For me it kindof validates many possibilities, such as the existence of a sentient, sapient creator. Either the universe somehow came into existence, or somehow god came into existence, and created the universe. Both seem highly implausible, but so does the existence of the universe atall seems ridiculous.

Anonymous 22/09/11(Sun)16:28 No. 15137 ID: cf8bcd

If it ever existed, then it would continue to exist.

We are used to consider things with beginning, but in fact that "beginning" was a transformation.

It is plausible that the universe has always existed.

Anonymous 17/07/03(Mon)01:59 No. 12989 ID: cd0914 [Reply]

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What does anonymity mean to you and why is it important?

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Anonymous 20/01/23(Thu)20:03 No. 14377 ID: f472d9

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Anonymity is freedom, privacy, and equality. I can express whichever ideas I please. They are not bound to my real world identity. We are all judged on the quality of our ideas rather than on our status.

Nice attempt at sounding intelligent. OP's question made perfect sense and you know it. Trying to unravel his 'assumptions' makes you seem like an unintelligent prick. If you don't believe in meaning then don't respond. If anonymity doesn't mean anything to you, then say that.

Anonymous 20/01/24(Fri)13:01 No. 14380 ID: 3a121a

Nobody should want to be a moderator. I'm one on a channel of a friend of mine, and it's honestly a burden. Instead of dedicating my attention to what he's streaming, I keep an eye on the chat box so I can banhammer trolls who show up with no purpose other than to spout racial profanities and meaningless insults trying to get a rise out of us. Instead of feeling comfortable getting up to get a snack or use the bathroom, I worry that something will happen when I'm gone.

Only children dream of power, not realizing that it always comes with responsibility. Playing Whack-a-Mole with trolls is only fun the first few times. Then it's just tedious. Oh, I banned someone. How fun.

Anonymous 22/09/05(Mon)22:03 No. 15127 ID: 132cb2

>Only children dream of power, not realizing that it always comes with responsibility. Playing Whack-a-Mole with trolls is only fun the first few times. Then it's just tedious. Oh, I banned someone. How fun.

Nah. Chikdren dream of fun, not power. Adults males are the ones whom chase power because they think itll grant them access to endless pleasure.
Thats why marriage and desk jobs are sought after like crazy only to end up in divorce and wasting away on TV after work.

rant Anonymous 17/08/07(Mon)14:32 No. 13061 ID: 1460ee [Reply]

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i wonder how all us millennials turn out
our attitude towards the struggle in transitioning from child to adult can either be anger directed towards the economic system or towards those who raised us unprepared (liberal parenting, university system)
it’s definitely a combination of both, but i think the latter deserves more scrutiny. It’s easier to fix and coming to terms with it will make you happier than understanding economic injustices. I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds, marx created or re-appropriated the term exploitation and makes value judgments about the economy that make sense only through a certain lens. I don’t think this viewpoint will ever gain majority support, it’s an anti humanistic theory in the way it assumes victim hood for poor people, they are “exploited” beyond control. The theory reduces people to non-autonomous beings when in reality there can be many reasons people do not succeed economically. In a communistic society would you even be responsible for your own feelings and emotions? A murderer must surely be held morally accountable, which already seems to contradict the idea that poverty is an injustice. In both systems people MUST be held morally accountable therefore its all a matter of preference. Which moral lens do you choose to view from? It would help greatly if the communists clearly set their moral standards, in doing so they would admit to the fact that humans have autonomy and moral obligation. Capitalism clearly sets its own standards and has its own moral code embedded in the way the economy functions, in rewarding certain members of society more than others. Communism has no replacement, and coupled with social liberalism has nothing to say about the value of individual behavior whatsoever. In order to move forward the left must rework or forget marx, the rise of the alt right and Trump’s presidency have made this clear.

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Anonymous 22/08/27(Sat)07:47 No. 15112 ID: fd43e1

>The political reality right now in america is actually the most successful welfare state in human history. If that isn't communism, socialism, whatever, than what is?

What youre describing is capitalism.
That welfare state was made by people breaking their backs for nothing.

>America is a wonderful place and it's made all of this possible through nigh infinite sacrifice, that will continue into the future as well.

Well, if you think alcohol is better than marijuana and think allowing kids to walk and bike to and from school is unsafe and think oversized roads and cars are a necessity then yes.

>The reason why is that the American people want free money, they don't care or understand the future cost of that free money because they want to be even more comfortable

The crux of this whole problem in the first place. Its also why technical skills were taken out of schools and why young people are suckered into thinking college is the only way to go.

Anonymous 22/09/02(Fri)05:04 No. 15123 ID: e2e793

In 1918, Rosa Luxemburg asked a simple question: Socialism, or Barbarism? The world chose Barbarism, and it gets what it fucking deserves because of it. The hope for a better world is dead and you killed it. You slaughtered the working class and continued exploitation. You fueled right wing nationalism and oppression towards queer people, people of color, indigenous people, and most importantly the wage laborers. I feel nothing.

Anonymous 22/09/03(Sat)03:04 No. 15124 ID: dceb39

No one really cares about wanting to equalize the burden of labor.
All they want is to become the new slavemaster.

Obsession with freedom Anonymous 20/02/09(Sun)14:55 No. 14401 ID: 7d5109 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]

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>George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia, at the age of twenty in 1752. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebrations and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic lodges that formed within army regiments.
>Such was Washington’s character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained “a just and upright Mason.” Brother Washington was, in Masonic terms, a “living stone” who became the cornerstone of American civilization.

The American Constitution is the founding document that supposedly promotes freedom for individuals regardless of creed or religion but when you look at who wrote this document it becomes fairly obvious that all this is a mere reflection of slave owning anarchists that refused to obey others. It stipulates that people have a right to bare arms and own land but with what justification? The constitutional rights espoused in the U.S.A seem to be nothing more than the extension of self-righteous egotism that in the modern day society results in mass shootings and exploitation of other people. It's not about building a functional society, it's about protecting oneself from everything that goes against your own interests.

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Anonymous 22/09/14(Wed)16:20 No. 15142 ID: 747485

Don’t forget Hasan Piker and Joe Biden.

Anonymous 22/09/15(Thu)16:20 No. 15147 ID: fce29e

Joe Biden was born in a poor blue collar family in the Rust Belt.

But who is Hasan Piker?

Anonymous 22/10/01(Sat)02:32 No. 15155 ID: 85fee6

It's true America sucks. But it would be worthless to support a foreign country.

Is Hedonism an Asceticism? Anonymous 22/07/22(Fri)06:51 No. 15011 ID: 4177ec [Reply]

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For example — although this thread should not be limited to them — I was thinking about the hikikomori. Don't they resemble monks in their seclusion? Is there something to this? Discuss.

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Anonymous 22/08/27(Sat)09:59 No. 15113 ID: 24e565

Yea, St. Anthony of desert lived his whole life secluded in the desert, fighting hordes of demons.

Anonymous 22/08/30(Tue)20:08 No. 15116 ID: 838b0b

Human beings have not changed in thousands or years and you are like everyone else all over the world in more ways that you would like to think.

Anonymous 22/08/31(Wed)04:32 No. 15117 ID: f5fbc6

I know that. But keep in mind that alot of those historical epics you read are often exaggerated or dross over any flaws. Most of history is just peasants tilling the land in the same spot for their entire lifetimes. All these epic wars were mere blips.
People whom glorify war or radical ideology are often those with no purpose nor contact with daily struggle. Theyre self insulated and have zero empathy.

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