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A mind that affects matter Anonymous 22/09/17(Sat)14:23 No. 15149 ID: 02e9f5

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>For the experimental data, the outcome supported a pattern of results predicted by a causal psychophysical effect

>...these results were found to support von Neumann’s conclusion that the mind of the observer is an inextricable part of the measurement process.

>Baer's independent analysis confirmed that the optical apparatus used in this experiment was indeed sensitive enough to provide evidence for a psychophysical effect.

>The results appear to be consistent with a consciousness-related interpretation of the quantum measurement problem.

Apparently there is a strong aversion within the scientific community regarding how consciousness tends to go beyond regular cause and effect when you measure its influence on its surroundings. The materialistic interpretation of reality fails to explain why these unusual occurences exist and why you can never see a physical link between these events.

Are you convinced that there is only matter in this universe and nothing else?

Anonymous 22/09/23(Fri)23:24 No. 15151 ID: 410853

I am curious. Matter is, by definition, that which can be measured. Then by opposing consciousness to matter, you mean that it can't be measured? If it can't be measured, how can you tell that it exists? You say, here, look at these measurable effects it has on these experiments. Then it can be measured. Then it is matter.

Anonymous 22/09/24(Sat)18:28 No. 15152 ID: 44545e

That's quite a sophistic post you just made there. The experiments show that you can't explain the mind as tangibly affecting its surroundings. So if there is no physical link then the mind isn't physical.

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