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Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463
14463

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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.


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Historian 14/11/12(Wed)06:09 No. 14464

Well, the U.S. would find a way to get rid of the Native Americans then. After all, the conservative people would be rioting in the streets because of cloning.

So an important step would be to deport/kill/imprison all the conservative people (Only a small amount of the populace would remain, perfect for a working Communist government).


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Historian 14/11/17(Mon)05:06 No. 14467

A more likely result would be the conservatives and capitalists and entrepreneurs migrating to the Tribal Nations while the overarching Federal system imploded.


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Historian 14/11/20(Thu)20:29 No. 14468

>>>14467
This would likely never happen. You and OPs orignial idea. Both are interesting concepts except...That would mean that wealthy people would have to interact/invest in/live with brown people. And not just brown people the brownest and poorest people you can find on this continent. They would also have to live and produce their work in some of the most remote, undeveloped, and POOR areas of the country.

There are a few instances where tribes have turned it around, but these have been in places where the natural resources (Natural Gas,oil, uranium, etc) was accessed by the tribe before the corportate developers could steal it from them. Good example: the Southern Ute tribe of Colorado and their Natural Gas development. Bad example: the Peabody Coal mine in Northern Arizona.

In a lot of modern cases many tribes see the exact oppurtunity OP is talking about but the projects always falter, and it all boils down to the reasons I listed. Poor, under educated local work force, remote locations with no local markert,no developed supporting infrastructure, and beleive it or not Good old fashioned American racism. All of these shitty situations could be turned around, but there is no profit in it for the weathliest 1% so no one gives a shit.

And lets not forget one other important factor. Many Native Americans dont want anything to do with the bulk of modern western advancement. Western culture is a cancer that they have been trying to fight for 500 years.


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Historian 14/11/22(Sat)12:33 No. 14469

Why do that? They can just sell payday loans and similar financial arrangements with federally unenforceable, though legally enforceable, terms because the contract is "signed" in tribal land. Americans are already giving tribes their money without having to deal with all the pollution (physically and spiritually) they'd cause by inviting assholes onto tribal land. All they want is your money and you're giving it to them already.

Besides, if all the conservative entrepreneurial capitalists left the US, the US would end up with a tax surplus, since red states consume more federal spending than they contribute in taxes.


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Historian 14/11/29(Sat)17:20 No. 14470

thats basicly how many tribes open up casinos and sell cheap ciggarettes.

How much of that they want on their land is their business though.

You simply cannot "will your land" to another sovereign entity, tribe or nation. You only own your land under the government. This is how it works, this is how it's always worked.

Private property exists at the will of either a government or at gunpoint.(which is also gunpoint). Think thats a joke? If you "own" land, it basicly means you have a piece of paper given to you by the government allowing you to "own" it. If the government didn't exist, your neighbors would most likely respect your claim, so long as you lived there, or where using the land, but after a certain peroid of time(like 100 years), people would forget you where there and just move in.

Property rights be damned, if the US government didn't want you doing something, they'd stop you. Anywhere in the world, if it became enough trouble to be worth the while.


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Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:09 No. 14488

>>14470

that's why you give them thousands and millions of little targets that have ties with millions and billions who wouldn't approve of or appreciate the US regime entity's bad behaviour towards those initial few thousands and millions who agitate against the US government, effectively backing the government into a corner to acquiesce to your will, overwhelmed by too many little targets, each of which can be a threat to the individuals that make up the government, but none of which are so easily distinguished from the rest of the population, which would overwhelm the regime's personnel should it ever come out that they're dangerous to the whole of population


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Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:11 No. 14489

>>14488

actually the danger can be imagined as well, a key tactic is to provoke bad behaviour by relying on the regime's laziness and hubris, this is a good tactic since it's got a good chance of working against bad regimes, and simply doesn't if a regime is half decent

the fallout leads to recruitment for one's own side and if it continues on long enough becomes a critical mass chain reaction, a half decent regime is like a reactor with cooling rods


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)00:36 No. 14525

OP have you ever been to a reservation? Native Americans are dead. What little "culture" they had has festered into posion. There are still some rich land owners but the majority are poor and not just poor, soul crushingly poor.


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>>14526
>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.


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Historian 15/05/23(Sat)19:43 No. 14619

>>14468
The Pequots in CT actually have an advantage there. At least, they would if they weren't losing a shit ton of cash in poor business decisions.

They open their research facility. Populate it with the people Pfizer shitcans and the kids graduating from URI. Nobody has to move far. If at all. Then they start another housing project for senior staff. Research is funded by the casino and the mall. Funds and administration is handled by the people they already have on hand. The company dregs live in the surrounding towns and cities. In time they open an academy to rake in more money.

If they didn't spend and lose millions on the MGM Grand they'd probably have enough money to do this.


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Historian 23/04/23(Sun)16:53 No. 15638

>>14470
Brilliant post, too bad it was 10 years ago. Come back.

>>14463
Indian reservations are a messy topic but here is my general understanding:

First of all, the "sovereignty" is really for the tribe, not the land. The tribe doesn't get to act like their land is their country and they can do whatever they want with it, they just have some special designation when dealing with our government(s) that gives them certain privileges. Tribes get to have their own government that can enforce laws on members on their land, and they are largely exempt from the laws of whatever state they are in, but that's about it. Tribe members are subject to federal law anywhere, minus this one very strange supposed caveat that due to the way the treaties are worded only acts of congress apply to Indian reservations, not federal court decisions (so tribes don't have to recognize gay marriage, fun fact), and tribe members are subject to state law outside of the reservation. They have to pay taxes, and they have to follow the federal criminal code, they're only protected in a limited capacity against laws that the state has but the federal government doesn't.

The long and short of why tribes can run casinos is that two Indian tribes found this theoretical loophole that state laws aren't supposed to apply to them on their own land so they broke some gambling laws to test the waters and won their case after they were arrested. Gambling was legal under this theory simply because federal law has never bothered to ban gambling, congress could have done so at any time. In response to this congress talked it over and ended up passing a law that allowed gambling on Indian reservations in no-gambling states and made a more official framework for it, but they also gave states a veto power. So basically Indian tribes have the "right" to run casinos within the standardized rules set by the federal government if the state they are in doesn't say no, and the federal government can abolish that "right" at any time.

Also, there's some longstanding rule that Indians can't sell tribal land to non-members without special permission from congress (basically to 'protect them against themselves' and preserve their status).

Basically, your idea is horseshit.


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Historian 23/04/23(Sun)17:14 No. 15639

>>14525
This, it's literally just we wuzzing. What makes it so cringey is that they're usually not even visibly distinguishable from (other) hispanics or asians, so they have to make a point of telling you about their irrelevant backstory claims.


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Historian 23/05/08(Mon)11:21 No. 15643
15643

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But USA is best?


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Historian 23/05/21(Sun)01:51 No. 15652
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>>15643
USA is full of the inbred remains of the last two centuries of eurotrash. There is nothing they hate more than the slave race, except the races that they couldn't even keep as slaves to begin with. They certainly tried with numerous native peoples, with more NA slaves taken than african (bc they were already present & plentiful coming from the just-wiped out nations. The race to drive the rest out of existence in the "closing of the frontier" is considered fucking ethical and dandy by modern day shit-tier americans, who have lots of biiig fuckin ideas about it without having ever read a single fucking thing on the history of the subject, as evidenced by the stupid mouthy motherfuckers in this thread. If they live by a poor reservation, then all native ppl are poor. If they live by a small one, then 20 million NA ppl don't exist. These fucking myopic hayseeds have no idea that those NA kids are off at college and living & working in cities just like everyone else, bc that's where the fucking money to be made is, not living in wigwams and selling wild rice or some cartoonish shit. There are more Native people in USAland than Jews and yet these same retards aren't pretending Jews were all killed by Hitler and there aren't any left just because they have the good goddamn sense not to waste their life in hicktown nebraska, friendless and hoping for someone to listen to them talk out their anusface on the internet. I mean jfc I'm white af but even I have better sense than that just from being an adult and not living in a fucking circlejerk of dipshittery.


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Historian 23/06/11(Sun)15:17 No. 15659
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>>15652
You also meet people with a retarded view on the other extreme, that native americans are fucking everywhere and white people are the exception. This one moron I talked to on the internet about 10 years ago was convinced that Florida was filled up with Seminoles and white people only live in small "enclaves" and have to desperately go out of their way to keep to themselves. In reality there are only a few thousand Seminoles and they live on tiny specs of land, which somehow end up mostly being in or near cities anyway.

By the way, they're not a real tribe with longstanding roots, they're a pretty loosely defined group that came into being long after the first Europeans came to Florida.


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Historian 23/07/17(Mon)22:22 No. 15667

>>15639
Cringe is how ignorant, and rasict, you clearly are yet still feel the need to pollute the world with your stupid generalizations and lack of knowledge.


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Historian 23/08/17(Thu)17:53 No. 15670

>>15667
Use your words, little boy.


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Historian 23/09/04(Mon)02:21 No. 15672

>>15670
Oh is that what gets ya? Words? Are the ones I used to big for you?


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Historian 23/12/19(Tue)03:29 No. 15674

>>15672
Not as big as your mother's ass


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Historian 23/12/25(Mon)04:49 No. 15676

>>15674
It took you three months to come up with that?


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Historian 24/01/03(Wed)20:25 No. 15677

>>15676
Slow and steady is the key


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