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Guide to Success from nothing Captain Derp 12/10/13(Sat)05:41 No. 387 ID: 353cb7 Stickied
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I started with a criminal record for petty narcotics pos and a 'computer tresspassing' record guaranteeing me unemployment almost everywhere except manual labor. I was also living in a SRO in the worst area you can ever imagine, had no money, huge debt and couldn't even finish university so washed out in the second year due to poverty.


STEP 1 - GET A FUCKING JOB

Any job will do. Some shitty manual labor position is great because then you also get some activity in so you aren't a fat bastard.

Easy jobs to get are landscaping (usually pays under the table cash), construction clean up, warehouse, or whatever you can find on your local Craigslist 'gigs' section. Alternatively there's the dreaded nightshift tech support. Look around for these on CL, or move to somewhere in your country where the jobs are. In Canada this means terribad mining and oilfiend work but it pays like $40/hr and there's nothing else to do up there, perfect for studying.

For me, I got a job at the post office and delivered mail, which meant I got off early and had lot's of time for school. Also consider institutions that will pay you to learn a trade, such as telephone companies and whatever else.

STEP 2 - START SAVING MONEY

Basic income budget rule is 70/20/10

70% of your money goes to rent, food, clothing, your essentials.
20% goes to short term savings, like buying a multi core box with 32G+ ram for compiling programs (we'll get to this later)
10% goes to long term savings, like hookers in Thailand, emergency savings if you're ever laid off, I dunno.

To accomplish this I simply log into online banking after I'm paid and just move 30% of the money out of my account to savings like clockwork to prevent me blowing it on bullshit and impulse garbage.

STEP 3 - GET A CREDIT CARD BUT NEVER GO INTO DEBT

Use this card for everything like groceries, gas whatever. Always, ALWAYS pay off the entire amount at the end of the month. This builds your credit to god like levels. You will need this later when you launch your own startup and need funding.

STEP 4 - TAKE FREE ONLINE SCHOOL

http://www.khanacademy.org/ - retake Grade 11/12 math and make sure you're solid in algorithms and precalculus. They're only a few minute long lectures that's all you need. Physics are also online.

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/#electrical-engineering-and-computer-science Take some of these courses, follow a plan like the one's laid out for regular students: http://www.eecs.mit.edu/academics-admissions/undergraduate-programs

I took 6-3 and a few 6-2 courses, the one's I could do without needing physical access to a lab. You considerably shorten the time it takes to finish these courses from a regular student. I would get off work @ 2pm, make some food and stream a lecture while eating it. Afterwards I'd do the assigned work. Then I'd fuck around with whatever, and do another lecture. Then go hang out with my girl. I did this everyday M-Friday while working. Weekends I took off.

Regular university they split up classes 2x a week or 3x a week, you're doing it 2x a day and will blast through it in less than a few weeks, forget entire semesters. IF YOU DO THE WORK/LABS ASSIGNED, YOU WON'T FORGET THE MATERIAL.

Keep doing this and progress through the courses until you have basically given yourself an undergraduate degree in Eng/CompSci.

STEP 5 - BUILD A PORTFOLIO

Now you have the knowledge, prove it to people. Start a security blog/status.net and write about whatever 0-day hacks you found in the Android source code. Write about game theory, contribute to the Tor project, or just contract yourself out to build websites for clients.

In my case I would modify AOSP for security, build it with SEandroid and sold my own devices. This is where your multi core 32G+ Ram box comes in handy because building AOSP takes forever otherwise. I created ultra secure handsets and sold them on craigslist probably to drug dealers, but nevertheless no longer needed to do my old job anymore.

STEP 6 - EITHER GET A $70k+ ENTRY JOB CODING WITH YOUR PORTFOLIO AND SKILLZ, OR START YOUR OWN COMPANY

The problem with coding F/T for a startup is that they will overwork you to death to push out their release and often never pay any overtime or extra benefits. You also have to do fucking queer team bulding corporate society faggot tree. Possibly, MAYBE if the company is bought out you may see some share profits but unlikely. More likely they will buy the company, screw you and move the coding to India or Ireland or somewhere else leaving you unemployed. You'll also have to contribute serious time to some other guy's project so he can make millions. If you're going to work that much, be your own boss.

If you want to startup your own company this is where your platinum credit rating comes in handy. Nobody will turn you down for funding. Startup any bullshit cloud application or anything to do with the medical/heath industry such as adapting CryptDB to a product that can be used for medical offices or other sensitive data. Build it up and shop it for a takeover, you will sell your company quickly.

STEP ???? - PROFIT

Now you have money from your sold startup, saved money from all your work either bulding sites or whatever you decided to do, and a platinum credit rating. You're ready to bankroll your own startup something you can truly 100% own and build from scratch however you want. Maybe you want to bankroll an open source project and don't care about the money because you already have enough from selling your last company. Maybe you want to design and build your own handsets and the operating system that they come with (because the AOSP kernel is fucking ridiculously huge and full of bugs)

Success!

FAQ:
- But I must have a piece of paper from a recognized University!
No coding or startup looking for partners gives a fuck about paper, they care about proof like portfolios and demonstrations. Moxie Marlinspike has zero post secondary and sold his mobile security project to Twitter for a shitload of money, and now even works for them on a contract basis. No paper.

- I want to be a doctor can I do it online for free?
Fuck no obviously. But you can take most of the required courses online for free then go apply directly into second year, once again showing them proof you know what you're doing through demonstration/auditing courses.

- Can I get some sort of certs for all this?
If you must, stanford university offers certs for their online courses. Can always pay for all those bullshit online security certs as well.

The business I started for myself (after I sold the other one) is awesome and I hardly have to work since most of it is automated. I don't do any 'team building events', I don't have to worry about release dealines and dealing with slipshod coworker code, I don't have to answer to anybody (even my customers I don't have to answer to, my software is sold as-is and there's never been any problems, esp no security problems from all the proper coding I learned from 6-3 courses) and the way I've set it up I don't even have to offer customer support since I built it correctly the first time so any idiot can use it.

No reason you can't do this too. Do you have 2 years to spare? Good 2go.


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Modern Mom 14/02/21(Fri)02:02 No. 1917 ID: e47675

I have a problem...my best talent is writing (wining some contests included) and communicating with people, I've also worked as a succesful comercial in the middle of a mental illness and I managed to close a contract every day (shit was tought nonetheless). These are my skills but I don't find any course that is related to them in the pages.
Do you know some page where I can find any free courses related to this? I don't trust corporated systems of teaching and I'm tired of begging money from my parents.
Plz help an anon to form and be successful


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Modern Mom 14/04/08(Tue)03:27 No. 2025 ID: 37d079

Lot's of new resources now.

http://www.mysliderule.com/web-dev
This is a sequence of courses put together to teach you modern web dev. It concentrates on theory and python/django instead of rails but you can easily learn ruby after you learn python.

http://www.buildyourownlisp.com/
This teaches you C, and you make your own c-like Lisp.

http://www.nand2tetris.org/
This teaches you modern computer architecture. It was developed by an IRL jew at an Israeli university because too many CS grads he met didn't know anything about computer arch. Prob one of the best courses I've taken, you just need to know some basic programming from any Comp 101 class or SICP book.

http://commonsware.com/
For $45, you subscribe for a year to this Android book that teaches everything there is to know about Android.

For Math, I've found the best books are one's done by Sheldon Axler (omg another jew!) both his PreCalculus Book and his book "Linear Algerbrae done right" are the best books I've ever read about math. There is a huge push right now to restructure Math classes in North America since we've never actually been taught math. You spend all of highschool learning pointless Trig calculations you never fully understand. His calculus book actually teaches you what real math is, same with the algebrae book.

Of course you don't need math to program, but it helps.


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Modern Mom 14/04/08(Tue)03:45 No. 2026 ID: 37d079

>>1917
Writing the only resources I know about is to read all of George Orwell's advice https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm note the 6 "rules for writers" at the end of that essay. Live by those and you should be fine.

Christopher Hitchens also has a lot of workshops he filmed talking about writing for a living. His advice is "if you feel you NEED to write, instead of want to write, then you'll do OK".


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Modern Mom 14/04/24(Thu)15:52 No. 2059 ID: 2e870b

>>387
okay op good post very informative and motivating

what i dont get is the hate for ireland. I didnt think ireland was consodered code monkey standard


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Modern Mom 14/07/25(Fri)20:33 No. 2205 ID: 5d9171

>>2059
Taxes there are low, so many companies outsource there.


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Modern Mom 14/07/26(Sat)19:56 No. 2206 ID: b1ec92
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bump


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Modern Mom 14/07/30(Wed)00:22 No. 2214 ID: b1ec92
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bumping because i want to read this later and dont want 404


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Modern Mom 14/08/05(Tue)23:27 No. 2234 ID: b1ec92
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Modern Mom 14/08/10(Sun)23:31 No. 2252 ID: 2913e8

>STEP 5 - BUILD A PORTFOLIO

>Now you have the knowledge, prove it to >people. Start a security blog/status.net >and write about whatever 0-day hacks you >found in the Android source code. Write >about game theory, contribute to the Tor >project, or just contract yourself out to >build websites for clients.
>In my case I would modify AOSP for >security, build it with SEandroid and sold >my own devices. This is where your multi >core 32G+ Ram box comes in handy because >building AOSP takes forever otherwise. I >created ultra secure handsets and sold >them on craigslist probably to drug >dealers, but nevertheless no longer needed >to do my old job anymore.

Could somebody go into more detail on building a portfolio? Preferably on the AOSP part? I tried Google but couldn't gind anything really except official Android updates


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Modern Mom 14/08/10(Sun)23:34 No. 2253 ID: 2913e8

>>2252
I can't greentext im sorry ahahh


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Modern Mom 14/08/22(Fri)18:29 No. 2277 ID: 2913e8

>>2214
its a sticky you tard, not to mention threads hardly ever 404 on /jew/


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Modern Mom 14/10/25(Sat)05:45 No. 2426 ID: a4b96d

Damn son, this got me more motivated than anything I've done in the last couple of years as a community college student studying CompSci. Watching a lecture on Computer Science Math right now.


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Modern Mom 14/12/09(Tue)03:41 No. 2491 ID: 519403

Another important piece of advice: lie to your interviewers. Say that you have more skills than you do (easy to do if it's a techie skill that they don't know), and also (I just thought of this after reading the OP) if you've had long periods of unemployment say you've been doing small time gigs like landscaping, it will make you more employable.


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Modern Mom 14/12/20(Sat)18:08 No. 2506 ID: 03c0fd

>>387
>the AOSP kernel is fucking ridiculously huge and full of bugs

You mean Linux? Because in all this time reading source code, I've never seen those "bugs" you are claiming AOSP is full of, can you explain better what you mean?


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Modern Mom 15/03/09(Mon)05:59 No. 2555 ID: df2efc

So basically I'm taking the Step one... working everyday for 10 hours a day. I tried to get a mining/oil related job but I had no success whatsoever. Where is the boomtown?


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Modern Mom 15/06/03(Wed)18:08 No. 2617 ID: 87ec07

test


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Modern Mom 15/07/18(Sat)18:49 No. 2632 ID: 81e6e1

test


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GJ! PKFire 15/08/22(Sat)13:13 No. 2656 ID: dd3681
2656

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Holy shit man! This is like a guide on how to succeed in life if you fucked up.


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Modern Mom 15/08/28(Fri)08:59 No. 2660 ID: 370606

I've been programming for 6 years, first learning by myself, then in Uni. I can honestly say I'm in the top 5-10% range of programmers skill-wise.

Yeah... You won't make 70k$ your first year with an online degree. Even people with Masters in CS generally make on ~50-60k$ their first year on the job market.

It takes about 10 undergrad courses to get a basic understanding of software development and at least 1-2 years MINIUMUM of experience to not be complete shit at it.

It's true you don't NEED a paper, however you need to be either crazily smart or really lucky to get a great idea you can sell.

There's about 3-4% of startups that work alright, 1% of those get bought for huge sums of money.

If you guys want the real fucking steps:

-Get degree online while working freelance part-time.
-Work for a decent size company for a good 4 years.
-Do what the fuck you want.

You should be able to make a living with freelancing then around 35-45k$/y growing by ~5k$/y.

After a good 4 years you'll be making ~60k$/y and on your way to better things.

After 4-6 years you can become Senior Developer, usually comes with a 10k$ bump.

Generally, software developer salaries stop at around 80-90k$, unless you're a specialist or you go on to a Leadership position (Senior Team Leaders can make upwards of 120k$/y).

BTW, learning about new programming languages is secondary to the basic ones (Java and C/C++). If you don't know Java, no Techy HR rep worth his salt is gonna hire you for a Scala job...


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Modern Mom 15/09/09(Wed)22:42 No. 2731 ID: a78cd6

Why work when you can get a decent amount from autismbux + huge benefits from free housing to free transport fees?

You can even save up enough to buy nice things or go on a holiday with your girlfriend or whatever.


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Modern Mom 15/10/26(Mon)23:57 No. 2764 ID: 7f7874
2764

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>>2660
Cross posting something to do with freelance

>Freelance work is awful in my opinion as you'll be competing with Indians who'll work for pennies and who know more than you because they spend their whole life writing code just to survive. Ruby and Node.js are in right now though.



Go over anxietybux for me?
In my case I have no income, and yet I am Ph D. says on record that I have got epilepsy and depression mood disorder.


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Modern Mom 15/10/28(Wed)08:08 No. 2766 ID: 2def6b

>>2731
How to autismvux or anxietybux?


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SUCK CSS Ilken 15/11/11(Wed)14:05 No. 2771 ID: 651c8a
2771

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Dumpster Diving and Computer Programming 101


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Ilken 15/11/11(Wed)14:07 No. 2772 ID: 651c8a
2772

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>>2771


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Modern Mom 15/12/13(Sun)14:43 No. 2779 ID: 00b379

it's been 2 years.. has anyone made something of themselves?


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Modern Mom 15/12/29(Tue)15:21 No. 2791 ID: 418d7a

>>2779
Nah, because ever since this board began and I saw this post I realized I'm truly just lazy. I'd rather just browse the net aimlessly then work.
I understand that its just me being stubborn but I don't really care enough to do anything about it.


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Modern Mom 16/01/01(Fri)18:08 No. 2792 ID: 00b379

>>2791
maybe you could use a dose of psychotherapy...


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Modern Mom 16/01/07(Thu)01:47 No. 2795 ID: 3113c6

Where are all the oil jobs?


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Modern Mom 16/01/11(Mon)04:33 No. 2800 ID: 669830

>>2795
Oil tanked dude. A year ago. Shit's gonna be dead for awhile.

That's the world we live in though, jump in whatever can make you money and when the pond dries up just move on ASAP instead of lamenting.


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Modern Mom 16/01/12(Tue)13:28 No. 2801 ID: 1fce9b

>>387
Should I sell my vidya/movie/book/toy collection for a jump start?


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Modern Mom 16/05/17(Tue)16:54 No. 2833 ID: 97f349

Сс


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Modern Mom 16/05/23(Mon)05:21 No. 2835 ID: ef9af7

Guys dont worry about it. Most programmers are either indians or wannabes. They suck either way.


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Modern Mom 16/09/19(Mon)06:17 No. 2877 ID: 41a8e9

on Coursera.org, do you have to enroll in the courses? Or are the materials available to everyone so you can just start when you want and go at your own pace?


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Modern Mom 16/09/23(Fri)07:24 No. 2881 ID: 9de038

>>1031
ahaha classic.

is there a program that does this or do you just enjoy using photoshop?


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Modern Mom 16/09/23(Fri)08:30 No. 2882 ID: 01ec1c

>>2877
Depends on the course. Some are open all year long, others are programmed to take place during specific periods of the year.


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Modern Mom 16/09/29(Thu)07:53 No. 2885 ID: 461262

+1


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Modern Mom 16/10/06(Thu)05:52 No. 2887 ID: fea1f2

Programming is over rated. People form India will under cut your ass.

Also it depends on what type of programming you are going for.

Also Also doing front end web design (just html and css) doesn't pay that well.

Hell, if you just get your A+ cert that can open tech jobs such as working as a computer or network tech for a factory, warehouse, etc (depending on where you live)

Fuck I have a friend that makes $17 an hour working for Apple at home doing tech support and they provide you with all the stuff you need and help if your internet bill + discounts + benefits.


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Modern Mom 16/10/23(Sun)22:57 No. 2894 ID: d92532

I don't want to do fucking computer science shit. I don't want to do fucking programming. There's got to be another way. I'm tired of the fucking "programmers make big bux d00d!" meme.


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Modern Mom 16/11/03(Thu)21:17 No. 2899 ID: 0b0a9f

>>2894
There's no way in hell I'm ever working with anything related to programming either.
What the hell else could I do, though?
I have a simple job now but it gives me no valuable experience and I have no chance of getting something else. I'd barely get by if I didn't still live with my mom.


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Modern Mom 16/11/17(Thu)02:52 No. 2909 ID: 234f5f

>>387
failed at step 2.
Spent all money on hookers.
FML


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Modern Mom 16/12/07(Wed)21:27 No. 2922 ID: 4607f3

>>2909
start again


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Modern Mom 16/12/14(Wed)02:39 No. 2927 ID: 7769ef

Best thread OP
This instant I want to change my dull life
Other than programming, I'd like to be in agriculture because without food, everyone will be starving.

I'd like to move somewhere else but the money will never be enough because of the weak currency. Is there any cheat sheet to become an immigrant that will work and get a job somewhere in first world?
>my country is no war zone, it just corrupted, even it's democracy but it doesn't look like one because cronies
>jobs are filled with other cheaper immigrant labors that locals can't even compete because these immigrants requires lowest wage with high skills

my savings is 500 in my currency and about 113 USD. (it used to be 3 to 1 USD in 2014). No NEET programs here unlike in first world.

tl;dr;
Good wage other than programming?
How to move out the country with no money?


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Modern Mom 17/01/08(Sun)20:58 No. 2941 ID: bde3dd

>>387
I don't know who you are op, but im going to give it a try. I saved the text from this thread like 4 years ago and got lazy from having a decent job and gave up on programming, but im about to kill it and wanted to say thanks


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Modern Mom 17/01/17(Tue)15:27 No. 2943 ID: ef0273
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>>387
>>2941

Me and you anon, we're both going to do this. I came across this chan/thread about 2 years ago by chance and it's time to get off my lazy ass and actually DO IT. I started relearning algebra 2 yesterday, once I have it I'm going to learn pre calculus (I did shit at it in high school) and learn to program concurrently. I will report on my progress in 2 years and let you all know what I've accomplished. Thank you OP, to quote /fit/ WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT!


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sadf saf 17/01/21(Sat)01:34 No. 2944 ID: bef63c

Glad to see the button work


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Modern Mom 17/02/04(Sat)12:37 No. 2947 ID: 571488

thanks for sharing this op

shame i'm a fucking idiot though


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Modern Mom 17/03/01(Wed)21:45 No. 2967 ID: ea6a59

This thread makes me wonder whether or not I should just drop out of life and become a hobo


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Modern Mom 17/03/03(Fri)23:54 No. 2970 ID: 2140d8

In a job interview for an entry level job like fast food how do I explain a long 8-10 year gap without working? I never got a job because I had horrible anxiety with minor autism and I couldn't deal with the pressure of job interviews. I know this isn't a good excuse but that's the truth. Do I tell them the truth?


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Modern Mom 17/03/22(Wed)05:33 No. 2983 ID: 82a2e5

>>2970
sounds like you qualify for autismbux/anxietybux buckaroo


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Modern Mom 17/04/27(Thu)06:39 No. 2998 ID: dfdf80

OP what is your IQ? I tried some of these books and I'm scared I'm not grasping them as fast as would prove practical. You motivate me a lot with your post, thanks.



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