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An entity that we would describe as "God" would have no wants or needs as we know them. However, the concept of "God" very much has a "want" and a "need" for people to propagate it, because if they stop doing so the concept ceases to exist. A "God" would not care either way if people believe in it or not. The picture of God that lives in peoples' heads, however, fears being forgotten because that is death to it.
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>time is a flat circle
>in your darkest hour, a demon tells you your life is to be repeated
>again and again and again
>are you happy?
No, but then again maybe I was never meant to be.
I am neither happy nor unhappy. It doesn't matter. Unless I am somehow born each time with the memories from each previous life, I will always "die" at the end. From the perspective of the current me, there is no difference.
I may be disappointed.
how do you teach "wrong"
for all ages.
as you're aware. our world is filled with rulers. professionals. bee's. losers. that have never learnt "wrong".
SHARE your IDEAS of how to TEACH the POWERS THAT BE, what being WRONG means and NECESSARY DISCIPLINE it's method.
They learned what wrong was. People just don't fucking care. It's in our nature. When we think we can get away with bad shit that gives us an advantage 99% of the time we're gonna do it. When you've got lots of power and money, it's even easier to get away with that shit so they do it more.
Sure, you get some people who are better than others at not doing bad things and avoiding that temptation, but that's why we consider those people saints and hold them up as exceptional people rather than the norm.
This site explains how to do it all wrong.
This is why merican kids are tarded now.
So much failure in this idiot led system.
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Guess my joke sucked.
OP is still a faggot.
Has anyone managed a way to PREVENT STUPID from BEING STUPID?
EVER ( really? honestly?)
we all know everything. just not usually at the same time. sorry for reminding me and you. we all know everything. remember that. remind me one day.
as for robo-sapiens. we all know what they think right now. bless. i had their manual installed years ago. this is for people who are actually really alive. not the "look for an opinion" take that cookie cut opinion from the "i think im alive" thought tree made by the arab zion.
the magic stick turns around...
"was this what you thought after my speech..."
heckler: "how do you know my opinions?"
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u schizo m8
Isn’t... the Bible... just like the old philosophy plays of Plato and stuff... where they’d make up characters in parables and plays to explain the right way to act and the way the world worked... as opposed to the written word of a God nobody has ever seen
>characters in parables and plays to explain the right way to act
Exactly this, yes. They're no more significant or important than Aesop's fables. I like the way my school approached it; we studied the Bible in a Literature class.
bible is very violent.
dont read violence.
violence in violence out.
although the worst violence of all... prevention of violence... is the highest of all worst violences. obviously.
Depends. In reality? Yeah, that's basically what they are. But the way the people who came up with those stories saw it was that they were real. You don't find boring, droll genealogical trees in stories that people don't think are very real. It's clear that whoever came up with them originally tried to convey what they saw as the truth. It may not be true, but that doesn't make the lessons we can learn from The Bible any less relevant.
Just because they viewed it as something real doesn't mean we have to discard the whole thing. I don't buy it, and yet I still love reading stories from there. Proverbs and the Wisdom of Sirach being two of my main favorite books.
Worst place to ask since 99% of you couldn't even think of "letting go".
How do I let go of my ego? Or another way of asking is "how do I stop the desire to prove myself worthy among my peers?". It's totally unnecessary, and sitting at home alone I can comfortably say that it's doable and the mindset actually worth having, but when I leave the door I cannot stop myself from becoming a totally different person. That is, one who feeds off the facial expressions of another person and who constantly seeks their approval, or "good" facial expressions. I genuinely don't care what they think when I'm home alone at the end of the day but I guess I still do if I'm behaving this way.
In asking this I'm hoping to find that 1% who can genuinely relate to me and may have found a solution, or at least philosophical banters that put my mind in solace when I leave the doors. (The answer "just stop caring" isn't as easy as you might think).
The road branches and we have two choices, equally evil.
If we take the first path...yours...we do not use the conclusions or developments of other people;"Don't learn your ideas, make up your own." Taken to its logical conclusion, one would be sitting in a cave, unable to make fire or even work stone...because THOSE were someone else's ideas. You are doomed to live out your life like an animal.
So, everyone takes the second branch, embracing our modern culture, wallowing in the technical innovations given to us by generations of geniuses...and people's minds atrophy, they never think an original thought of their own, and they can only parrot the thoughts and deeds of others. The savage huddled in his cave is actually better off, and morally superior.
Become a Buddhist. Personally I think that all that 'Nirvana, the willing annihilation of the self' stuff is illogical, suicidal nonsense, but I am all for everyone having the freedom to hold their own views. As for me...I LIKE my ego.
You just took a jab at anon's ego. That's funny to me.
Ever tried LSD?
An attempt to prove secular ethics.
"UPB in a Nutshell:
1. Reality is objective and consistent.
2. “Logic” is the set of objective and consistent rules derived from the consistency of reality.
3. Those theories that conform to logic are called “valid.”
4. Those theories that are confirmed by empirical testing are called “accurate.”
5. Those theories that are both valid and accurate are called “true.”
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I live my life by the principal that something can only be true if it's logical, if someones stating a fallacy I'll flat out tell them they are, illogicity is entirely human;logic just is
Not necessarily. Quantum mechanics for example violate some Logical laws and are still very much true.
Empirical Validation very much trumps Rationality in 100% of cases.
this sort of nonsense intuitionism doesn't prove anything. you cannot prove the validity of a moral theory by appealing to our 'moral intuitions'. If anything it's just another Is-Ought problem.
It's basically making the case that because people intuitively feel that it would be 'bad' to push the fat man, that it we ought not push the fat man.
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The other day in religion class, my teacher played a sermon about Catholicism and stuff. The shortest I could put it is, "If there was no god, then the universe would have had to started somewhere, the big bang per say. If we could use a computer and go look at that explosion, or a simulation of, we'd be able to figure out the rate at which the universe expands. From this we'd essentially be able to figure out the future and then life would be meaningless, because our choices would already have been determined."
Any thoughts on this? I thought it was a pretty interesting standpoint, but was probably worded confusingly in order to sound smart and force people to think you know what you're talking about...
OP, I may be terribly wrong but I think that the theory of Big Bang does not attack Catholicism. I think that this theory was proposed by a Belgian Catholic priest called George Lemaitre. Also, in both mainstream Christianism and in Naturalism there is nothing that stops us from taking decisions by ourselves and not because destiny.
0. IF GOD EXISTS, HE IS ALL POWERFUL.
1. If God is all powerful, he must be all knowing.
2. If he is all knowing, he knows the future absolutely.
3. If he knows the future absolutely, he knows the future of any given human being.
4. If he knows the future of any given human being, then that person does not have the ability to make choices which change that future.
5. If that human being doesn't have the ability to make choices which change the future, then free will does not exist.
6. Therefore, if God exists, free will does not exist.
As I see it, this falls apart at point 4
God simply knowing the future doesn't mean the future is set in stone or prevent others from being able to change the future, if anything it means that God would know the new future as soon as the path of events changes, or even beforehand, and he would know any changes possible to the future, so he could prevent changes if he wanted, but I don't see any reason to think that he does. God knows everything, so he CAN eliminate free will, but evidently chooses to let people choose. All powerful doesn't mean all controlling.