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Preference vs Classical Utilitarianism? Anonymous 16/03/06(Sun)11:33 No. 12455 ID: c988f8 [Reply]
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Any scenario where the two would give different advice as to what is morally correct?


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Anonymous 17/03/02(Thu)21:07 No. 12842 ID: 54ff7b

zillions.

Classical utilitarianism says to maximize pleasure; preference utilitarianism says to maximize preference satisfaction. But someone's preferences can be satisfied without their knowing it, and they might prefer an outcome they know will be much less pleasant than some alternative.

For example, a dying writer might prefer to spend his last days finishing his novel, though this will mean forgoing morphine in order to think clearly. All things being equal, the preference utilitarian will say that I ought to help the writer finish, though the classical utilitarian may say that I ought to give him the morphine.


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Anonymous 17/03/07(Tue)19:56 No. 12844 ID: 68162d

And the literal utilitarian will say How much does he like morphine?




Anonymous 15/03/21(Sat)00:47 No. 12097 ID: 1df3c1 [Reply]
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Do you, my fellow philosophers, think suicide and anorexia are a result of north american consumerism and the culture of always wanting to be better, or are just diseases that people are born with?


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Anonymous 16/06/13(Mon)08:58 No. 12593 ID: e13cdc

>>12162

Why don't pessimist just fucking kill themselves

solving overpopulation, their own "problem," and making the world a more tolerable place with one fell swoop


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Anonymous 17/02/08(Wed)11:49 No. 12815 ID: 976d0d

I think that this could be tied to Ulrich Beck's idea of a risk society. In that people have (near) completely wiped out the idea of natural disasters such as earthquakes and tsunamis by means of technology. And in this we have created new risks for ourselves such as obesity as an epidemic, or diseases becoming immune to vaccines and evolving to a level that could kill millions. These risks, to quote Ben Wisner, these risks involve "incalculable horrors with unknown statistical probability". These sort of attribute to a sort of society that constantly has dangers looming in the back of one's mind at all times. And I believe this affects it. Along with many of the things that others had said including consumerism.


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Anonymous 17/02/12(Sun)05:05 No. 12816 ID: b7b1ba

I think you're thinking in a very curious manner. Suicide is not news, nor an american invention, nor a disease, and vaguely if at all linked to anorexia. Ending one's life at a given point where there's no reason for continuing with it is more of a privilege than a desperate move.
And no, anorexia is not something you're born with, it's a product of the development of the individual in a certain social and cultural environment.




sage 17/01/12(Thu)06:52 No. 12785 ID: 66a496 [Reply]
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Are video games (and probably TV) viable only because we live in a post-existential age where, for most, seeking to escape reality is not only feasible, but accepted and constantly improved upon vis a vis VR, better graphics, and widespread glorification of more and more extreme forms of excitement/violence in our media?


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Anonymous 17/01/12(Thu)07:34 No. 12786 ID: ca3ceb

Entertainment existed since we lived in caves yo.


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Anonymous 17/01/22(Sun)03:43 No. 12794 ID: ed8b6e

Video games are, for most people, a means for people to regain control over lives, even if it's virtual.


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Anonymous 17/01/25(Wed)09:02 No. 12802 ID: ca3ceb

>>12794
Pff. You're gonna have to explain that one.

If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, I'm just gonna have to remind you of Tetris.




Deism is the only belief that makes sense. Anonymous 16/12/09(Fri)15:07 No. 12747 ID: 57a468 [Reply]

Now, why would a supreme being like God even care about a bunch of stupid apes like us?

He is probably just programmer who made our universe as a test simulation and eventually abandon the project.

Evolution is merely just a function in the code of the universe. God didn't create us as he only wrote the function and the code did the rest of the work. So why would he care about some primates who became capable of recognizing his existence?


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Anonymous 17/01/18(Wed)14:08 No. 12791 ID: 084328

My mum has the idea that because god is so great he has the capacity to love everyone individually, thats how great he is.

pretty interesting if you think about it


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Anonymous 17/01/21(Sat)20:14 No. 12793 ID: 47863f

Maybe He Cares because we are Part of his Energie and connected to him..
Half animal, half god.




Space Anonymous 16/12/29(Thu)18:09 No. 12769 ID: d9c4c1 [Reply]
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I was always wondering why all these star freaks obsess over the cosmos.

What is so interesting about space?
At best its a meaningless expanse full of dead rocks and deadly dangers.

Deadly radiation from stars, pulsars and other galactic crap.
Gigantic gravity well of meaninglessness like gas giants and black holes.
Dead rock and chemicals some so cold they kill everything others so hot they burn everything to death.

The universe seams to be a insignificant expanse and the human experience seams far to incredible to waste it over watching pointless chemicals and rocks.

What is there to gain in the universe?
At best you will see a planet with a different collaring do to some chemicals.

What is so interesting about it? You can get the same by simply putting some colored glasses and fiction (films, comics) have provided far more interesting vistas to see.
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Anonymous 16/12/29(Thu)20:21 No. 12770 ID: 854de6

>>12769
>At best you will see a planet with a different collaring do to some chemicals.
At best we'll find another intelligent civilization.


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Anonymous 16/12/31(Sat)11:12 No. 12777 ID: 55f518

>>12770
>At best we'll find another intelligent civilization.

Why be sad about not getting to explore space?
This is the question.




PsychiatryISTerrorism logicalreality 16/02/03(Wed)22:06 No. 12430 ID: 76f612 [Reply]
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Psychiatry IS
Terrorism
.

what do you think?


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Anonymous 16/06/17(Fri)10:55 No. 12605 ID: 64ff09

>>12600
The school of recovery is two parts of both kinds of psych quackeries. psychology and psychiatry. All they really prove is that people still begin to avoid certain behaviors the longer they are locked up for it.


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Anonymous 16/12/23(Fri)10:16 No. 12758 ID: 1e6bbe

Devil is Terrorism


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Anonymous 16/12/28(Wed)19:27 No. 12767 ID: d58e80

well, since you didn't explain anything about your idea, I don't think anything of it




comatoast!!L1A2Z5BQN4 15/12/08(Tue)06:32 No. 12364 ID: 1238e8 [Reply]
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Karl Marx was correct.

Capitalism is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions.

Between the development of technology and the spread of information growing ever faster among the working class it is only a matter of time before capitalism falls apart.

Discuss.


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Anonymous 16/11/30(Wed)02:23 No. 12736 ID: 44a931

>>12670
>Where did the workers uprisings happen?
They did happen, but were more likely in the form of peaceful protests or walk-outs. Once Unions, workers' laws, etc. were put into place, they were appeased.

To further discussion, people are needy creatures, and will do what is necessary to survive, but will take whatever slack they get, and then ask for more. What will probably occur afterwards is a big hissy fit, like what we see know with America's election results, and this is easy ground for communists to take hold of. Most communists now-a-days are no more than wishful dreamers fighting for something higher, not willing to make sacrifices: most communists today are quite satisfied with what they have now, and continuously talk about how people are oppressed on Reddit more than taking action. Look at communists several decades ago compared to now. Most are so appeased with the current system that they can only whimper on how "muh perfect form of communism" would solve all problems, similar to most libertarians if I might add.

Communism isn't the end game, the liberal democracy is.

And no, Karl Marx was only partially correct.


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Anonymous 16/12/06(Tue)00:44 No. 12744 ID: 372eae

Fucking commie trolls. Capitalism is the best, government sucks balls. the artificial power construct of the government is way too vulnerable to exploitation and incompetence, poisoning the field with bullshit regulations and subsidies often primarily for the benefit of their rich asshole buddies, whereas in pure capitalism the only way to get anything is to offer a better deal than the competition. You start abusing your customer base without government enforced monopolies and you'll find yourself learning a little something about capitalistic competition


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Anonymous 16/12/06(Tue)01:13 No. 12745 ID: 5a53ee

>>12736
>They did happen, but were more likely in the form of peaceful protests or walk-outs.
The fuck they were. It was common for companies to have union organizers and union members killed, maimed, or hospitalized. The government would lend them a hand (police, national guard, even straight up military intervention) whenever the number of union members grew too large for their private goon forces to put down.

Look up "strike breaking" in your favorite internet resource for a more thorough understanding of the topic.

>>12744
>Libertarian fantasy
Smoke less weed.




Life is Like Minecraft Anonymous 16/11/06(Sun)06:45 No. 12703 ID: 57a468 [Reply]
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I'll probably get scolded for this, but is life and/or existence in general much like a new world of Minecraft? Life doesn't have any goals or meaning until you or your family give it one. Much like Minecraft where the only goals are what you set and the pre-existing ones are more like guidelines. Now call me a faggot, because I am expecting this.


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Anonymous 16/11/26(Sat)10:05 No. 12726 ID: 57a468

I noticed that many people like to create societies within the game, but is a state-level society really something that can be created? Most Chiefdom level societies often times move into a state level society without realizing it. So is this why such attempts always end up going nowhere?

Because Minecraft literally starts the players to where if any societies form it's either band or tribal level?


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Anonymous 16/12/01(Thu)18:45 No. 12738 ID: 66a496

>>12709
In reference to:
>>12704
you toil in poverty and your goal is to amass as much material as possible in the hope it will bring to contentment and achievement of goals--so materialism.


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Anonymous 16/12/02(Fri)04:53 No. 12739 ID: c4f1b3

>>12704
I suppose it makes sense that a person's Minecraft play style might strongly reflect how they are in real life.

Assholes will be griefers, nice people will work together; extroverts will play multiplayer, introverts will play singleplayer; people resistant to change will stick with a familiar version, people who have a short attention span will lap up every new update; and little kids will blow shit up and install nude skins (laughing like morons the whole time) because that's how little kids are.

If this holds, in real life as well as Minecraft, I live only to work by myself building pretty things that operate on a system of strict internal logic, and that tell a story over time; and I challenge myself to follow more rules than natively exist because what's there isn't difficult enough for me; and if I want something, but don't feel like waiting, I will cheat to obtain it.

That works out pretty well, actually.




Anonymous 16/11/15(Tue)15:00 No. 12717 ID: b00a46 [Reply]
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Parasites need love and acceptance too, so consider their mental and emotional needs when deworming your cat. Save the tapeworms! *peace*

http://amytalksyourheadoff.blogspot.ca/2016/10/about-deworming-cats.html




bla 16/11/06(Sun)22:39 No. 12707 ID: 7abebe [Reply]

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