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Celsius ## Admin ## 09/12/28(Mon)07:43 No. 1 [Reply] Locked Stickied
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Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463 [Reply]
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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>>14526
>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)10:12 No. 14562

The average American spends six hours a day watching TV. They are getting what they deserve




Historian 14/01/29(Wed)04:43 No. 14113 [Reply]
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at what point in history did you like the united states the most?

any particular reason for your answer?


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)09:53 No. 14560

..because at least then a black person actually voted. Hah, sad but true.


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)10:00 No. 14561

Not being from the USA the question is actually at what point in history did you tolerate USA the most? When they became the most obese nation, when they were only bombing five countries at the same time?


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Historian 15/03/28(Sat)08:20 No. 14563

>>14561
the USA only bombs 5 countries at the same time to preserve the peace in Europe, they're far enough away for no one to be able to do anything about it. If they didn't one of the European powers would have to which would lead to chaos in Europe.




Irredentism Historian 15/03/12(Thu)21:54 No. 14534 [Reply]
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What would the best possible union be, /hi/?

http://strawpoll.me/3854422


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Historian 15/03/25(Wed)07:53 No. 14552

>>14537
Ahhh to still live in the 1990s.


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)09:50 No. 14558

Canada + Iceland + Greenland.

Laid back ice power mother fucker!


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Historian 15/03/29(Sun)09:50 No. 14564

India, Sri Lanka, Madagascar

Hail the Jungle Nation of Hunger




Historian 14/03/25(Tue)05:57 No. 14218 [Reply]
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Hello everyone. I've been wondering, how did the German and Western Allied troops treat one another? More importantly, how did they treat the civilians during their respective occupations of Western Europe? Of course there were crimes committed in relatively small numbers, but on the whole. Where there any major events that showed camaraderie between the troops or civilians?


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)09:40 No. 14555

KIA rate in EU America vs Germany was 1:2, that's right the Nazis kicked our ass. POW survival rate on both sides was 95%. Note I did not include Russians as that was everyone dies.

The pacific theater was 20:1 kill ratio for us (woo!). 1 in 5000 was taken POW.


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)09:42 No. 14556

and yes the Japs did take prisoners long enough to kill them


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)09:44 No. 14557

America vs Germany the soldiers treated each other "well". Russia vs Germany everyone died.

American vs Japan mostly everyone died. It got to the point G2 had to offer 3 days off the line and ice cream to bring in a live jap.




The Marine Corps is for Faggots The Muslim Bomber 15/03/24(Tue)04:47 No. 14548 [Reply]
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The Marine Corps and it's supporters can go kill themselves in a bowl of their own shit. It fucking sucks that abortion wasn't done on these Faggots who joined the shitty ass Marine Blow Job Corps for Faggots


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Historian 15/03/24(Tue)06:40 No. 14549

/rnb/


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Historian 15/03/27(Fri)06:20 No. 14554

Ah, a thread started by a fantasy creature! Let's see; it's not an elf, a dwarf, a fairy, a leprechaun, a satyr, or a dryad...the only thing we know about it is that it lives under bridges and gets its butt kicked by big, ill tempered billy-goats.

Semper Fi.




Hitler did nothing wrong? Historian 14/11/08(Sat)06:59 No. 14456 [Reply]
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My purpose in posting this is not to incite a drama filled thread - what I'm looking for are people who can confidently denounce the claim that the Holocaust did not happen.

It's political suicide to see Hitler and the Nazi party as anything but evil, so I'm hoping someone can help out.
Embedded is a youtube link to a 6:30 hour long documentary entitled 'Hitler: the Greatest Story Never Told'. It's banned in a substantial number of countries, so VPNs at the ready if you want to watch it.
It lists many atrocities committed by allies during WWII, the ethnic cleansing of the German people following it, and shows research into the 'death camps' that Soviets liberated, this and more suggests the Holocaust story was a fabrication by the allied powers to support the existence of the state of Israel and justify WWII itself. My problem is that is rings of truth. After a read through of anti-denialist material I'm not happy that this event occurred as claimed in our popular history.


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Historian 14/12/08(Mon)21:16 No. 14481

>>14471
It should be obvious to anyone but the most delusional quack that the holocaust happened on some level. Even the Naz themselves kept records of the entire development, from their increasingly desperate birth-defect measures to mental patients to euthanasia to incinerators to war to work camps to POW's, etc. All well justified at the time and thoroughly internally documented.

However, none of the numbers of dead add up properly, and once you see the history behind these numbers, it creates a very real sliver of doubt. As well, England took Germanys own propaganda efforts and ran with them for their own purposes, as well as turning the apathetic public opinion in the US to their advantage. This is also well documented and unfortunately casts a reasonable pall of suspicion over all the media on both sides of that time. Then, there seems to be far, faaar greater reverence paid to the relatively fewer Jews that died than all the tens of millions of others that were killed in that conflict, which creates an aire of resentment toward them, notably the Slavs and Russians. Absent are the stories of the many, many millions of Germans who were not on board whatsoever with the crazymaking and at the greatest risk of all, actually resisted from inside and lost, including most of my family and most of their friends and neighbors. Not a fucking peep about them. Just Jews Jews Jews, all day every day. Not Poland being stomped into the ground with a fresh German Military, or France suffering the same, after having just previously inviting loads of german farmers to settle on their borders, who simply let the german army waltz right in and mow everyone down, not the firebombing of london or berlin, or the insanity of nuking two enormous densely populated cities... no, that's all cool.

What do you need to know about WWII kids? Hitler persecuted the Jews, and now, everyone owes them everything, forever. Class dismissed!

See how that might lead to suspicion and resentment?

How far people choose to run with their disgust is entirely subjective, but the whole thing is seriously a mess. Most historians with any ethics shift uncomfortably and avoid citing any numbers in that war because to willfully choose a number when you know you don't have real numbers and never will, and there's no way to know the real numbers even if they were staring you in the face, is to knowingly misrepresent the actual lives ruined and the entire nature of the conflict itself.

The "holo" in the word "Holocaust" implies a die-off of humans, and should not be reserved for a single event, and certainly not a single subset of people in a single event. If there were a die-off in human history worthy of the term "holocaust", it should be Genghis Kahns reign, still the greatest slaughte Message too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Historian 14/12/11(Thu)04:57 No. 14483

>>14481
go home sargon you're drunk


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Historian 14/12/16(Tue)11:42 No. 14485

I urge you to take a look at the list of sources that documentary provides. It's a bit disturbing when a documentary purporting to have the truth, despite having access to a dearth of German primary documents capture after the war, barely references any of them, choosing rather to reference mostly websites and hardly a book.

I recommend you read Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich for a well researched account of the war.




Historian 12/01/25(Wed)04:59 No. 11345 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
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The good guys lost the Napoleonic wars.


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Historian 15/03/02(Mon)23:18 No. 14530

>>11362
The was nothing good about the Republic; do you just gloss over the rape and murder of Louis XVII!, the kangro courts, and the revolt of Vendee?


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Historian 15/03/02(Mon)23:19 No. 14531

>>12235
Most of the people who supported the revoltuin were upper class and court aristocratics, the common people revolted against the republic several times.


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Historian 15/03/03(Tue)02:43 No. 14532

USicans who think all France ever did was raise white flags

Hey, I got a good French rifle...never been fired, and only dropped once!




Cole's 46 questions Historian 15/01/21(Wed)20:25 No. 14505 [Reply]
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http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gc46-ORIGI.html

Has anyone ever completely addressed Cole's tinfoil hat questions?

If 46 seems too much at first, I would like to have an answer to this first:
>(4) Once one has fashioned an explanation for the minute traces and no blue staining in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 at Auschwitz, how does one THEN explain the HIGH levels of Zyklon B traces and DEEP, FLOOR-TO-CEILING blue staining in three of the four Majdanek gas chambers? Far fewer people are said to have been killed at Majdanek than at Auschwitz. The four Majdanek gas chambers would never have had to handle the workload of Kremas 1,2 and 3. Yet whereas Kremas 1,2 and 3 have only minute traces and no blue staining, three of the four Majdanek gas chambers have heavy traces and deep blue staining. How could gassing a GREATER amount of people (at Auschwitz) leave minute traces and no blue staining, yet gassing a much SMALLER amount (at Majdanek) leave heavy traces and deep blue staining?


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Historian 15/01/24(Sat)01:02 No. 14512

>>14511
Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
>(2) If one suggests that the Zyklon traces in the homicidal gas chambers have been "weathered away", how can one explain the traces and staining on the OUTSIDE of the delousing complexes...traces which have NOT been weathered away after fifty years?


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Historian 15/01/28(Wed)07:26 No. 14513

>>14512
>Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
Then it's not really a question, is it?


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Historian 15/02/09(Mon)04:56 No. 14514

it is a sufficient debunking of the central concept that drives the rest of cole's arguments

thus proving that they are fallacies
as such they may theoretically be correct in the same way crystalline aliens from space will give you the powers of time travel, but hold no real relevance to reality as understood by sane people

at least until someone comes up with a line of reasoning that isn't based on ignorance




The Truth Behind HAPPY YEAR NEW is really Satanic Historian 15/01/01(Thu)13:10 No. 14496 [Reply]
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Romans 12:2 New Living Translation (NLT)

2 . Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.

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Did you say happy new year to someone yesterday-today, then you gave them best wish's from a Satanic God you just worshipped through them words - Believer in Jesus (Yeshua) or not.

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http://www.novareinna.com/festive/janus.html

The first of January was dedicated by the Romans to their God of Gates and Doors, Janus. A very old Italian God, Janus has a distinctive artistic appearance in that he is commonly depicted with two faces...one regarding what is behind and the other looking toward what lies ahead. Thus, Janus is representative of contemplation on the happenings of an old year while looking forward to the new. Some sources claim that Janus was characterized in such a peculiar fashion due to the notion that doors and gates look in two directions. Therefore, the God could look both backward and forward at the same time. Originally, Janus was portrayed with one bearded face and the other clean-shaven, which may have symbolized the moon and the sun, or age and youth. Later, he is most often shown with beards on both faces and frequently holds a key in his right hand. Very early statues of Janus (around the Second Century B.C.) depict him with four faces.

http://www.crystalinks.com/janus.html
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Historian 15/01/09(Fri)00:58 No. 14500

>>14498
Just wait until they discover that Easter shares equally pagan origins.


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Historian 15/01/09(Fri)04:52 No. 14501

>>14500
Fuck, haha, yea, and the pagan version easter was even called "Eostre"!

The pagan traditions, and there were many, were steeped in the folk knowledge of their societies, and contained the entire cultural intellectual wealth of agriculture and natural systems and early attempts at sciences and the histories of entire peoples over millenia. ...all lost when Rome recognized the wealth of the jews and allowed their cult of urban civilization, itself lifted from ancient Egypt, after many centuries of coexistence, to bulldoze the pagan faiths into obscurity with the founding of modern christianity, which bears no resemblance whatsoever to christianity pre-rome.

The shit everyone celebrates, and millions of unthinking plebs still believe in literally to this day, is the actual mashup of all the wealthiest and most powerful and hardest to eradicate cults in Rome circa 325AD, when Constantine the evil fucking genius realized he could get them all to quit warring in the streets if he forced their leaders at spearpoint to unite their bullshit and present it as the new official Roman religion in which all have a part, and turn Roman citizens aggression outward to the world, instead of inward at each other. It was hastily done, and it shows in the embarrassing sloppiness of the Bible itself. But he was right, and the Bible was good enough, and the wealthy Jews got their first 5 books in, right up front, and it worked well enough to convince most of the people most of the time, and thus spread out on the edge of a sword, via crusades and endless coups and boody revolutions for nearly 2000 years, long enough that the political establishment saw it as its way to insulate its power from of the rising and falling of governments, and shifted its position to the seat of the church, where they continue to rule over the minds and beliefs of a devoted empire of two billion people to this day. The Roman Empire didn't fall and disappear, it just changed slightly, from being your governmental taxman to your divine taxman. A third of the world now count themselves among its citizens, regardless of their country of birth or residence, and value nothing as high as they value that ethereal citizenship.

THAT is how you build a motherfucking timeless empire to end all empires.


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Historian 15/01/22(Thu)00:24 No. 14507

>>14500
Just wait til OP discovers that those people did not think of "gods" in the same simplistic way judeo-christian people think of their gods today.

These pagan faiths were nearly all based upon provincial combinations of observable natural phenomena such as astronomy, climate, seasonal weather patterns, and animal migrations, plus folk corollary, for the practical purpose of trying to plan and schedule critical human activities around those events hoping for the best success.

This is detritus in the wake of the development of human intelligence. This approach bore astrology, it bore teamwork and competitiveness and specialization, it bore ritual, and countless myths of varying degrees of effectiveness, it also bore anthropomorphism, it bore supernatural powers and spirits, and supernatural beings, supernatural humans, then gave rise to cults and their cultures and religions and their dogma and power and excess and tribalism and colonialism and vilification and conflict and wars and unifications and schisms and reunifications and revolutions and and conquests and corruption and stagnation and collapse, repeated thousands of times, all over the world, everywhere humans go.

This may seem like a big discovery now, but realize as you dig into linguistics, you will find yourself in a bottomless pit. Our languages are enormous graveyards FULL of the rubble of our species scattered remains of past attempts and short successes and big failures at civilization.

The greek and judeo-christian gods you mention are a couple very tiny pieces of the whole picture, whose importance may not be any more significant 7000 years from now then any of humanitys much more successful and longer-lived gods and religions from 7,000 years ago are today.

It's a big, old world, OP, and humans have packed a lot of fucking around into a short amount of time.




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