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Celsius ## Admin ## 09/12/28(Mon)07:43 No. 1 [Reply] Locked Stickied

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Historian 15/06/08(Mon)05:47 No. 14628 [Reply]

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How would the Japanese have colonized the western coast if they had done so before the Europeans?

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Historian 15/08/14(Fri)04:17 No. 14722

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Yeah at several points, China had gigantic fleets of enormous ships that utterly dwarfed anything the europeans had. Even as recently as the 1400s, they were on the prowl, and lucky for europe, when the chinese rounded the cape under Africa, they didn't keep going north forever, or they'd have certainly stumbled upon the french & brits taking pot shots at each other and destroyed them completely. Instead they went west and discovered murrica, discovered a shitload of cool tropical islands, made trade everywhere they could, spread goods and culture and technology and made out like kings.

Given the archaeological similarities between discovered works in the americas & elsewhere in the world, & how long there have been boats in this world, it's a pretty safe bet that individuals from everywhere have been steadily, continually "discovering" the americas ever since humans learned boatbuilding from neanderthals and set out on the water.

Historian 15/08/25(Tue)08:53 No. 14733

With great difficulty, since the west coast has been pretty steadily populated for about 15,000 years, by many, many cultures each more experienced than the last, well-seasoned in the most brutal and effective warfare tailored to the land and environment.

Historian 15/08/27(Thu)20:34 No. 14738

>>> 14733

uhhhh...what are you talking about?

There is some evidence of Chinese contact with Western South America. A bit of pottery and chickens I think is what is boils down to. Likely following the island chains across the Southern Pacific. Not sure that would have ever been a conquest priority for them or Japan. China sat on and controlled the Spice Road the largest and most profitable trade route in history. They had no need to trade extensively with isolated island villages and extremely distant cultures on the opposite side of the ocean when they had the entire eastern hemisphere from Europe to South East Asia tied into their trade network.

The Europeans "found" North and South America by fucking accident. They were trying to find a cheaper way to trade with China and India that didn't involve all the trade middlemen between Europe, the Middle east, Persia, Afghanistan, the Steppe etc etc.

Why waste time conquering incredibly distant lands when you are too busy securing the trade network that has already made you and your ancestors incredibly wealthy, while other cultures wipe each other out trying to get cheaper or larger access to it?

Historian 14/01/29(Wed)04:43 No. 14113 [Reply]

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at what point in history did you like the united states the most?

any particular reason for your answer?

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Historian 15/06/04(Thu)02:17 No. 14622

wait is that bioshock infinite's image of washington/tin patriot, the european union flag, the nazi flag, and the american flag and that eagle?

anyways, I'm sure that there were both times when there were empires/cultures with trade links, and times when they were diminutive, remember that the pioneers had massive trade routes through native territories, and tribes could easily do the I know a tribe that knows a tribe that knows a tribe style stuff

it's very easy to not see a singular highway from china to rome and think they never had any contact but evidence suggests some stuff went both ways occasionally if I remember correctly

Historian 15/06/04(Thu)11:54 No. 14623

>wait is that bioshock infinite's image of washington/tin patriot, the european union flag, the nazi flag, and the american flag and that eagle?

Full-dress Nazi rally, the old Madison Square Garden, NYC. The Nazis were popular in America prior to the Day of Infamy. They were BFFs with the Republican Party of the day. Remember that America declared war on Japan, so Germany had to honor their actual treaty alliance and they declared war on us. And that was the end of that.

Historian 15/06/04(Thu)13:01 No. 14624

there was also

but you probably knew these. Pretty funny how the Bund went down the same way Al Capone did, by tax inspectors. Prinzführer the Embezzler.

If they gained larger support, who knows how WWII would have progressed?

Historian 15/08/10(Mon)22:05 No. 14716 [Reply]

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Why were native Americans so terrible at war?

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Historian 15/08/20(Thu)21:15 No. 14729


Hmm...interesting perspectives. I guess I will just have to live with you both being horribly misinformed and rather stupid. Ahh...yeah I think I can live with that. Enjoy being fucktards.

Historian 15/08/25(Tue)09:18 No. 14735

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Wow, shit talking is one thing, but you actually put thought into your ill-informed criticism. I'd commend you for trying if you weren't so abysmally ignorant about the subject you're fumbling trying to talk about here.

I love that pre-1935, there were about two texts available that weren't written from a british white supremacy perspective, and yet most white americans, from the difficulty they experienced eking out their survival, had at least some exposure to or appreciation for the accomplishments and prowess of native peoples, while today, everyone has a wealth of information available to them, exponentially more factual history and firsthand experiences and perspectives have been unearthed and recovered, and yet more of you dumb fucks are actually less informed than ever before on the history of this place.

I look forward to seeing your posts setting everyone straight on mathematics and engineering without having read any books on those subjects whatsoever either... lol

Historian 15/08/25(Tue)22:52 No. 14736

>>more information available, at nearly everyone's fingertips, then ever before in history.

>>more people are more stupid about more things than ever before.

It's the dismal tide

Historian 14/03/08(Sat)00:01 No. 14199 [Reply]

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What would Africa be like today if they never have had contact with outside civilizations?

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Historian 15/05/02(Sat)01:46 No. 14597

considering other sources of information available to the public school johnny, i wouldn't say it's necessary though. an uninterested johnny would hardly look at such an image and decide to study it to gain information. an interested johnny, however, would derive information from better sources, and will already have the information conveyed from the image from somewhere else (possibly from the thing that gets johnnies nowadays interested in history - video games)

Historian 15/08/17(Mon)00:24 No. 14724

Africa is a continent where it's people would be nothing without outside intervention- this is not because of its inhabitants skin color but rather how large and abundant the damn continent is and how easily you can live as a human without having to worry about unfavorable weather
The most successful civilizations have had to go through the hardest times be it war, famine, drought, climate change you name it but this is simply not the case in most of africa

Historian 15/08/24(Mon)13:40 No. 14732

only one problem: it is not the Inuit who developed civilization, but people living in most fertile land and in a good climate.

In Africa you have places with harsh climate (Beduins on Sahara Desert), places where drought is more common than anywhere else (Ethiopia), there were empires living in constant war in Western Africa and it didn't help.

Ukraine & Belarus (Belorussia) and their mythical nationalisms Historian 15/06/06(Sat)06:11 No. 14625 [Reply]

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Both Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism are so misguided. They side with the Western, Latin occupiers (Poland, Lithuanian, Austria-Hungary) and ignore the fact that Belarussians and Ukrainians are part of Rus. They have more in common with the so called "Great Russians" of the Russian Federation than with Westerners.

Why is this? Why do they love their myths so much?

Nationalists lie, and one would be remiss to think that Russian nationalists are immune. But through a purely historical analysis, one can see the holes in the nationalist movements of Ukraine and Belarus. The departure from Rus which is present in both is not only a betrayal of ancestors but a change of identity. Ukrainian and Belarussian nationalism are far more Polish, far more Lithuanian, far more Austrian, than they are Ukrainian and Belarussian.

Ukrainians and Bealrussians are in fact Russians who lived under Western European rule. That is the only difference between them and Muscovy. Why embrace the foreign chains? Why deny one's identity in favor of a foreign force? Why seek to create weak, poor states continually begging for alms from the West? Why not re-unite with the Russian Federation to restore Rus?

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Historian 15/08/17(Mon)05:02 No. 14726


Bear with me, this is going to be a long post, but it will be worth reading to anyone remotely interested in the region.

>On one hand, it is easy to understand why neighboring countries such as Belarus, Georgia, and the Ukraine (not to mention the Baltic States and Finland) are not terribly fond of Russian culture. All these countries were an integral part of one of the most brutally oppressive regimes in human history (the Soviet Union) and a pretty oppressive Czarist Russia before that. The Russians (like the Germans and the French) have never enjoyed a reputation as an enlightened, benign occupying force.

Look, I'm pretty sure that you're not trolling, I think you're authentic. But your post really shows a level of ignorance on the subject that is all too typical of the West. You confuse places like Georgia and Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine. Each of these states has it's own issues, identity and history.

Belarus and Ukraine are as Russian as the Russian Federation. It is a myth of modernity that they are not. The difference is that western control of the former two regions during the medieval through Enlightenment periods caused cultural and linguistic shifts. The west would like to imagine that Ukraine and Belarus are separate nations from Russia. And guess what? That fable has been peddled in Ukraine and Belarus by the west to this day.

It was always the traitors to Rus (and Orthodox Christianity) that worked to advance those nationalist ideologies. They picked a region and directly declared it a nation, a scenario similar to California saying "We're Californian, not American." It was mainly the Uniates and those who thought that the traits they had adopted from Poland were superior. They shit on their own heritage and betrayed the governance of the Free-Russian state: The Tsardom. They kissed the chains that the Latins had put on them and spit on their brethren in the east instead of embracing them.

Ukrainian nationalism (and Belarussian nationalism is behind it a few steps) is probably the most deleterious movement in all of the history of Rus. In the past, for example in the Kievan period, there was discord and rivalries between cities. But now you have a chunk of people standing up and inventing a new nation. They are perpetually rationalizing themselves into existence, perpetually inventing their "nationhood." One who studies history will understand that Ukrainian nationalism is driven by two main influences:

1. The west encouraging disunity and trying to dismantle and pacify Russia.
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Historian 15/08/20(Thu)11:07 No. 14728

>it will be worth reading to anyone remotely interested in the region
Translation: It will be worth reading to anyone remotely interested in how Russia is spindoctoring their history and current events to the xenophobic ultranationalists who currently inhabit Russia (since everyone else long since packed their bags and left).

Still not an explanation for why a group of people can't act in their own interest and must, instead, be forced at the barrel of the gun to jump through the hoops for another group of people. You don't think it's in their best self interest to make their own decisions? Oh how fucking noble of you to force your decision on them.

Brings to mind a similarly noble decision made by Russia before WW2, when Russia made a pact with Germany to divide Europe between them. Too fucking bad that decision blew up in its face and they've spent decades trying to spin doctor the fuck out of that one. Russia didn't have to lay formal plans to annex territory that wasn't theirs in order to sign a nonaggression pact, yet Russia still did it.

Ukrainians only need to remember their history to see just how much Russia believes Ukrainians are Russians. Export all the food out of the Ukraine to Russia so Russians don't starve and Ukrainians do. By the millions. Until Ukranians are starving to death in the streets of major cities, their corpses littering the sidewalks like so much human trash. Ukraine's food harvest failed, yes (in no small part due to Russia fucking up the farms with collectivization - similar to Zimbabwe not all that long ago, taking farms out of the hands of Ukrainians who know how to run them and handed them over to incompetent Russians who don't), but the harvest that was collected was exported to Russia, not kept in Ukraine to feed Ukrainians. How interesting that Russia starved Ukraine to death right after it started trying to act in it's own self interest too. Interesting parallels to the current crisis. Yet again history repeats itself. It must tie Putin up in knots that he can't starve countless millions of Ukrainians to death because they dare think for themselves and act in their own self interest.

The West doesn't need to divide Russia and Ukraine. Russia does it all by their fucking self every time they try to murder (or succeed at murdering) Ukrainians when they start acting in their own self interest. Your boogeyman is your own toxic behavior coming around to bite you in the ass, century after century.

It's not part of Russia. Give it up. They left because Russia's full of xenophobic asssholes who would rather murder Ukrainians than admit that Russia isn't absolutely perfect in every way.

Historian 15/08/21(Fri)02:52 No. 14730

Russia and Ukraine are like an abusive boyfriend and his mentally fucked up girlfriend.

The boyfriend blames the girlfriend every time he beats her up, saying it's her fault he keeps hitting her. Yet his girlfriend just keeps going back to him, even though it's obvious to everyone else that he will eventually end up killing her.

Can we get Ukraine to the womens shelter in time?

Historian 15/07/26(Sun)11:55 No. 14700 [Reply]

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How does everybody feel about the current restoration of the HRE?

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Historian 15/08/09(Sun)01:19 No. 14714

I was just thinking about that. Imagine if Russia and Germany allied for once, Germany would regain the Czech Republic, East Prussia, Poland and Austria. Russia would absorb Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland...

If they did that, no one would be able to stop them, if only they could agree

Historian 15/08/09(Sun)12:27 No. 14715

The US is already driving a wedge between them by helping out Poland though. Historically Poland has always been a pain in the ass of both countries. Also, there's been some general moves to establish a cordon around Russia. Poland is trying to secure itself as well through the Visegrad group. In any case, a lof of the countries that share a border with Russia are hard to defend, no matter the size of the force. This is especially true for the Baltics - the Russians can hit all their major cities without even having to cross the border.

Russia is really only interested in security. History has been too painful, so they want to be surrounded by at least neutral countries, which is why they are trying so hard to keep Ukraine unstable and out of any western organisations. Putin's done well enough in general, but the major failure of his reign is the inability to establish industry that could domestically refine oil and natural gas. Hence, Russia is economically vulnerable, especially seeing how the low oil prices are most likely the new normal.

Historian 15/08/14(Fri)04:01 No. 14721

Russia could really get what it needs and Putin wants by rapidly expanding its nuclear energy production.

Hilarity ensues.
Maximum entertainment value is had.

Historian 14/05/17(Sat)18:22 No. 14299 [Reply]

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If you're island government was insolvent and dependent on another country for regular multi-million dollar bailours, and you were a politician interested in fixing everything...what would you do? Country has no exceptional resources - just farm land but subject to the other countries law as an 'external territory'. I'm thinking it could declare independence and become a tax haven. I don't know if that works anymore given money laundering laws or whatever. Other options?

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Historian 15/07/25(Sat)14:42 No. 14698

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Historian 15/07/25(Sat)22:05 No. 14699

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(and the next contestant, please...)

Historian 15/07/27(Mon)09:28 No. 14703

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what? it fits the lineup, every successive generation gets less fit to be a non-hypocritical leader of anything with the individual being gradually lessened in importance in favour of the things they symbolize

Queen Elizabeth's Nazi Salute Historian 15/07/19(Sun)12:43 No. 14689 [Reply]

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Archive footage: Edward VIII teaches Nazi salute to the Queen:

Historian 15/07/20(Mon)07:13 No. 14691


Historian 15/07/20(Mon)18:39 No. 14692

It is also a good way to hail a cab, karate chop a taller person in the throat, OR show your true feelings and utter devotion to the National Socialist Movement.

Historian 15/07/21(Tue)20:36 No. 14693

Look how excited Princess Margaret is to be part of the master race!

More historical nonsense from Manly Men Historian 15/05/21(Thu)13:04 No. 14616 [Reply]

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Found this article about octopus wrestling and eating contests with animals, and I started thinking, can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly? So fare I've turned up the article from above http://statbonus.com/2015/04/06/2-manly-feats-of-idiotic-strength/ and this cracked bit http://www.cracked.com/article_19246_5-manliest-hobbies-youve-never-heard-of.html except that one only has a few "historical" entries.

Historian 15/05/21(Thu)16:47 No. 14617

>can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly

No lifetime is long enough to write that book, ha!

Historian 15/05/26(Tue)12:47 No. 14620

have you ever considered the possibility that a lot of seemingly nonsensical stuff is merely the expression of processes that have their own logical conclusion that don't fit the narrative of the rational human being because that narrative is actually incorrect and the attempt to reign it in is often due to personal discomfort with the existence of differences

I mean, what else is someone supposed to do now that it's no longer acceptable to ride a horse and stab someone with a giant spear as we go past them

Historian 15/07/13(Mon)09:59 No. 14680

A proposed evolutionary psychological explanation for human culture in general is mating. Essentially men do it all to get laid. Even shit like beerpong is hypothesised to be a ritual in some sense.

So that shit is not surprising at all. A lot of what we do now makes fuck all sense, but people will only realise that when it becomes "outdated".

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