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Cole's 46 questions Historian 15/01/21(Wed)20:25 No. 14505 [Reply]

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Has anyone ever completely addressed Cole's tinfoil hat questions?

If 46 seems too much at first, I would like to have an answer to this first:
>(4) Once one has fashioned an explanation for the minute traces and no blue staining in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 at Auschwitz, how does one THEN explain the HIGH levels of Zyklon B traces and DEEP, FLOOR-TO-CEILING blue staining in three of the four Majdanek gas chambers? Far fewer people are said to have been killed at Majdanek than at Auschwitz. The four Majdanek gas chambers would never have had to handle the workload of Kremas 1,2 and 3. Yet whereas Kremas 1,2 and 3 have only minute traces and no blue staining, three of the four Majdanek gas chambers have heavy traces and deep blue staining. How could gassing a GREATER amount of people (at Auschwitz) leave minute traces and no blue staining, yet gassing a much SMALLER amount (at Majdanek) leave heavy traces and deep blue staining?

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Historian 15/01/24(Sat)00:55 No. 14511

Didn't answer the question.

That website only tries to explain why there is not much staining in Auschwitz chambers, and doesn't respond to the contradiction that Majdanek chamber has extremely heavy staining, despite less people allegedly gassed.

If it is even true that prussian blue withers away, if exposed to air and rain, then we should look at Auschwitz I. It is not exposed to those elements.

Historian 15/01/24(Sat)01:02 No. 14512

Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
>(2) If one suggests that the Zyklon traces in the homicidal gas chambers have been "weathered away", how can one explain the traces and staining on the OUTSIDE of the delousing complexes...traces which have NOT been weathered away after fifty years?

Historian 15/01/28(Wed)07:26 No. 14513

>Also this question deals with prussian blue's stability...
Then it's not really a question, is it?

The Truth Behind HAPPY YEAR NEW is really Satanic Historian 15/01/01(Thu)13:10 No. 14496 [Reply]

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Romans 12:2 New Living Translation (NLT)

2 . Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.


Did you say happy new year to someone yesterday-today, then you gave them best wish's from a Satanic God you just worshipped through them words - Believer in Jesus (Yeshua) or not.



The first of January was dedicated by the Romans to their God of Gates and Doors, Janus. A very old Italian God, Janus has a distinctive artistic appearance in that he is commonly depicted with two faces...one regarding what is behind and the other looking toward what lies ahead. Thus, Janus is representative of contemplation on the happenings of an old year while looking forward to the new. Some sources claim that Janus was characterized in such a peculiar fashion due to the notion that doors and gates look in two directions. Therefore, the God could look both backward and forward at the same time. Originally, Janus was portrayed with one bearded face and the other clean-shaven, which may have symbolized the moon and the sun, or age and youth. Later, he is most often shown with beards on both faces and frequently holds a key in his right hand. Very early statues of Janus (around the Second Century B.C.) depict him with four faces.

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Historian 15/01/09(Fri)00:58 No. 14500

Just wait until they discover that Easter shares equally pagan origins.

Historian 15/01/09(Fri)04:52 No. 14501

Fuck, haha, yea, and the pagan version easter was even called "Eostre"!

The pagan traditions, and there were many, were steeped in the folk knowledge of their societies, and contained the entire cultural intellectual wealth of agriculture and natural systems and early attempts at sciences and the histories of entire peoples over millenia. ...all lost when Rome recognized the wealth of the jews and allowed their cult of urban civilization, itself lifted from ancient Egypt, after many centuries of coexistence, to bulldoze the pagan faiths into obscurity with the founding of modern christianity, which bears no resemblance whatsoever to christianity pre-rome.

The shit everyone celebrates, and millions of unthinking plebs still believe in literally to this day, is the actual mashup of all the wealthiest and most powerful and hardest to eradicate cults in Rome circa 325AD, when Constantine the evil fucking genius realized he could get them all to quit warring in the streets if he forced their leaders at spearpoint to unite their bullshit and present it as the new official Roman religion in which all have a part, and turn Roman citizens aggression outward to the world, instead of inward at each other. It was hastily done, and it shows in the embarrassing sloppiness of the Bible itself. But he was right, and the Bible was good enough, and the wealthy Jews got their first 5 books in, right up front, and it worked well enough to convince most of the people most of the time, and thus spread out on the edge of a sword, via crusades and endless coups and boody revolutions for nearly 2000 years, long enough that the political establishment saw it as its way to insulate its power from of the rising and falling of governments, and shifted its position to the seat of the church, where they continue to rule over the minds and beliefs of a devoted empire of two billion people to this day. The Roman Empire didn't fall and disappear, it just changed slightly, from being your governmental taxman to your divine taxman. A third of the world now count themselves among its citizens, regardless of their country of birth or residence, and value nothing as high as they value that ethereal citizenship.

THAT is how you build a motherfucking timeless empire to end all empires.

Historian 15/01/22(Thu)00:24 No. 14507

Just wait til OP discovers that those people did not think of "gods" in the same simplistic way judeo-christian people think of their gods today.

These pagan faiths were nearly all based upon provincial combinations of observable natural phenomena such as astronomy, climate, seasonal weather patterns, and animal migrations, plus folk corollary, for the practical purpose of trying to plan and schedule critical human activities around those events hoping for the best success.

This is detritus in the wake of the development of human intelligence. This approach bore astrology, it bore teamwork and competitiveness and specialization, it bore ritual, and countless myths of varying degrees of effectiveness, it also bore anthropomorphism, it bore supernatural powers and spirits, and supernatural beings, supernatural humans, then gave rise to cults and their cultures and religions and their dogma and power and excess and tribalism and colonialism and vilification and conflict and wars and unifications and schisms and reunifications and revolutions and and conquests and corruption and stagnation and collapse, repeated thousands of times, all over the world, everywhere humans go.

This may seem like a big discovery now, but realize as you dig into linguistics, you will find yourself in a bottomless pit. Our languages are enormous graveyards FULL of the rubble of our species scattered remains of past attempts and short successes and big failures at civilization.

The greek and judeo-christian gods you mention are a couple very tiny pieces of the whole picture, whose importance may not be any more significant 7000 years from now then any of humanitys much more successful and longer-lived gods and religions from 7,000 years ago are today.

It's a big, old world, OP, and humans have packed a lot of fucking around into a short amount of time.

Historian 12/08/09(Thu)21:35 No. 12933 [Reply]

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Why are Confucian societies so non-religious nowadays? At first, I guessed communism, but it turns out that Nice Korea and Japan are also pretty non-religious. They constantly rank low in religiosity polls, and are among the few societies where it isn't correlated with wealth.

(Confucian sphere is more or less China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam).

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Historian 15/01/13(Tue)01:53 No. 14502

The thing about China is you could just as easily be talking about Qin Shi Huang Di as Mao...

Historian 15/01/19(Mon)11:09 No. 14503

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“One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.”

― C.G. Jung

Form is the shape, visual appearance, constitution or configuration of an object. In a wider sense, the form is the way something is or happens.

1. The action or purpose for which a person or thing is suited or employed, especially:

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life

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Historian 15/01/19(Mon)11:43 No. 14504

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I had an alternative art picture of mickey mouse baseball batting someone with other iconic corporate deities and gestalts fighting but it's too big to post

chinese people aren't interested in religion for the same reason capitalists aren't happy about mcdonald's or some other corporation

it's a baseline substrate and works to disillusion people from the concept altogether and the more this happens the more people give up trying to find meaning in things (it's a good political tactic for control)

of course this means that usually the only people who keep going are either obsessed with meaning and will latch on to the first thing they see whether that's a suicide cult or something glorious like anarchist movement (planting trees is super serious revolutionary work)

the small groups raise hell, irk and scare the masses and then they get a sudden impetus to try to find out more, the powers that be have to work extra hard to give explanations as to what happened, this however sparks interest again in investigation of events and meaning in a bit of the population that had previously given up and a chain reaction ensues

this continues until people get sick of it and a reverse process sort of emerges

so what I'm saying is, it's so unquestioned as the way of life noone needs a fantastic imagination of it being better than it actually is

however that's partially because they don't know of a better life, I can't speak for china but there's elements of this that are growing more and more common in japan's artwork
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Historian 12/06/07(Thu)01:08 No. 12470 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]

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So is the Islamic invasion of Europe an intentional act being perpetrated by a multitude of interest groups in the Arab world.

Or they are invading Europe because the laws are so lax, Africans are too poor to do so, and Asiatics are in their own realm.

The dude in germany getting beat up by turkish immigrants for wearing a german immigrants got me thinking. Plus this issue started late 90s and just seems to be rolling out of control.

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Historian 14/12/20(Sat)09:45 No. 14490


While Marx advocated open borders, I doubt he expected the type of mass immigration of Turks/islabomb refugees expecting western social welfare state handouts, that then repay the EU with 17 kids and acid attacks and shariah law protests we see today

Historian 14/12/21(Sun)07:46 No. 14492

I think, the thing is, if we from the outset just said, "WOAH", or "WOAH + GTFO", then we'd have every other nation on earf and the UN and every islamic wacko in the world saying we're the new Nazi's and how dare we discriminate and oppress well-meaning religious people and blah blah blah. But if we say, "ok, fine, come on in." and then they fucking flood in and wreck the place up and start chopping heads off, well then we can respond with "WOAH + GTFO + TRAINCARS + FIRE THE OVENS" or whatever we need to.

What I'm saying is, we can't just open with that. We need to give Muslims enough rope to hang themselves with, which we've done, and they seem to be getting quite comfortable with putting around their necks.

So I think it's going quite well, in fact. The worse it gets, the better off we'll be for it when push comes to shove.

Historian 15/01/06(Tue)01:51 No. 14499

during the last few years muslims have started to use imageboards and they are everywhere now.

On niggertits kc and even 8chan it is really annoying.

This seems to be one of the few muslim-free imageboards left.

Orlando Figes - Crimean War Historian 14/11/04(Tue)20:33 No. 14455 [Reply]

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I want a good overview book of the Crimean War but it doesn't really seem like there is a canon account of this historical period. Figes has written one, but he's a rather modern historian. All the published histories of the Crimean War seem pretty modern.

What do you think of Orlando Figes? Is he a solid, dependable writer? Do you think that he would show a pro-British bias in this book?

Historian 14/12/20(Sat)10:31 No. 14491

Google Karamzin.

Historian 14/12/21(Sun)08:52 No. 14493

Can confirm, Karamzin is awesome.

Historian 14/12/31(Wed)08:23 No. 14495

didn't someone, like tolstoy write books that were about it but in a hidden manner because he was in tzarist russia?

Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463 [Reply]

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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.

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Historian 14/11/29(Sat)17:20 No. 14470

thats basicly how many tribes open up casinos and sell cheap ciggarettes.

How much of that they want on their land is their business though.

You simply cannot "will your land" to another sovereign entity, tribe or nation. You only own your land under the government. This is how it works, this is how it's always worked.

Private property exists at the will of either a government or at gunpoint.(which is also gunpoint). Think thats a joke? If you "own" land, it basicly means you have a piece of paper given to you by the government allowing you to "own" it. If the government didn't exist, your neighbors would most likely respect your claim, so long as you lived there, or where using the land, but after a certain peroid of time(like 100 years), people would forget you where there and just move in.

Property rights be damned, if the US government didn't want you doing something, they'd stop you. Anywhere in the world, if it became enough trouble to be worth the while.

Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:09 No. 14488


that's why you give them thousands and millions of little targets that have ties with millions and billions who wouldn't approve of or appreciate the US regime entity's bad behaviour towards those initial few thousands and millions who agitate against the US government, effectively backing the government into a corner to acquiesce to your will, overwhelmed by too many little targets, each of which can be a threat to the individuals that make up the government, but none of which are so easily distinguished from the rest of the population, which would overwhelm the regime's personnel should it ever come out that they're dangerous to the whole of population

Historian 14/12/19(Fri)07:11 No. 14489


actually the danger can be imagined as well, a key tactic is to provoke bad behaviour by relying on the regime's laziness and hubris, this is a good tactic since it's got a good chance of working against bad regimes, and simply doesn't if a regime is half decent

the fallout leads to recruitment for one's own side and if it continues on long enough becomes a critical mass chain reaction, a half decent regime is like a reactor with cooling rods

Hitler did nothing wrong? Historian 14/11/08(Sat)06:59 No. 14456 [Reply]

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My purpose in posting this is not to incite a drama filled thread - what I'm looking for are people who can confidently denounce the claim that the Holocaust did not happen.

It's political suicide to see Hitler and the Nazi party as anything but evil, so I'm hoping someone can help out.
Embedded is a youtube link to a 6:30 hour long documentary entitled 'Hitler: the Greatest Story Never Told'. It's banned in a substantial number of countries, so VPNs at the ready if you want to watch it.
It lists many atrocities committed by allies during WWII, the ethnic cleansing of the German people following it, and shows research into the 'death camps' that Soviets liberated, this and more suggests the Holocaust story was a fabrication by the allied powers to support the existence of the state of Israel and justify WWII itself. My problem is that is rings of truth. After a read through of anti-denialist material I'm not happy that this event occurred as claimed in our popular history.

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Historian 14/12/08(Mon)21:16 No. 14481

It should be obvious to anyone but the most delusional quack that the holocaust happened on some level. Even the Naz themselves kept records of the entire development, from their increasingly desperate birth-defect measures to mental patients to euthanasia to incinerators to war to work camps to POW's, etc. All well justified at the time and thoroughly internally documented.

However, none of the numbers of dead add up properly, and once you see the history behind these numbers, it creates a very real sliver of doubt. As well, England took Germanys own propaganda efforts and ran with them for their own purposes, as well as turning the apathetic public opinion in the US to their advantage. This is also well documented and unfortunately casts a reasonable pall of suspicion over all the media on both sides of that time. Then, there seems to be far, faaar greater reverence paid to the relatively fewer Jews that died than all the tens of millions of others that were killed in that conflict, which creates an aire of resentment toward them, notably the Slavs and Russians. Absent are the stories of the many, many millions of Germans who were not on board whatsoever with the crazymaking and at the greatest risk of all, actually resisted from inside and lost, including most of my family and most of their friends and neighbors. Not a fucking peep about them. Just Jews Jews Jews, all day every day. Not Poland being stomped into the ground with a fresh German Military, or France suffering the same, after having just previously inviting loads of german farmers to settle on their borders, who simply let the german army waltz right in and mow everyone down, not the firebombing of london or berlin, or the insanity of nuking two enormous densely populated cities... no, that's all cool.

What do you need to know about WWII kids? Hitler persecuted the Jews, and now, everyone owes them everything, forever. Class dismissed!

See how that might lead to suspicion and resentment?

How far people choose to run with their disgust is entirely subjective, but the whole thing is seriously a mess. Most historians with any ethics shift uncomfortably and avoid citing any numbers in that war because to willfully choose a number when you know you don't have real numbers and never will, and there's no way to know the real numbers even if they were staring you in the face, is to knowingly misrepresent the actual lives ruined and the entire nature of the conflict itself.

The "holo" in the word "Holocaust" implies a die-off of humans, and should not be reserved for a single event, and certainly not a single subset of people in a single event. If there were a die-off in human history worthy of the term "holocaust", it should be Genghis Kahns reign, still the greatest slaughte Message too long. Click here to view the full text.

Historian 14/12/11(Thu)04:57 No. 14483

go home sargon you're drunk

Historian 14/12/16(Tue)11:42 No. 14485

I urge you to take a look at the list of sources that documentary provides. It's a bit disturbing when a documentary purporting to have the truth, despite having access to a dearth of German primary documents capture after the war, barely references any of them, choosing rather to reference mostly websites and hardly a book.

I recommend you read Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich for a well researched account of the war.

Historian 14/01/05(Sun)14:13 No. 14095 [Reply]

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umm... holy shit?


tell me this isn't real? anyways, herut merged into likud in 1988 apparently, about 25-26 years ago, likud being the current reigning party under netenyahu

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Historian 14/10/16(Thu)13:40 No. 14449


oh I actually like it, I'll check out "ideas and opinions" sometime, I mostly checked out quotes in wikiquote and other quote sites a couple years ago on various characters/people/figures/whatever, so I'm half-confident I've got the right impression but I'm definitely interested in getting it right

anyways, the "tell me this isn't real" thing was actually me saying "pinch me am I dreaming?" I'd been aware of some brutal behaviour by israel to gaza for some time and was happy to finally find some information that puts zionism on the backfoot through appeals to authority, as well as examples of people who didn't hold to it's views that it would claim to represent

Historian 14/11/29(Sat)17:52 No. 14474

yes, ablert einstien was a legimate socialist, mostly pacifist, and dedicated anti-facist.

There is no diffrence between the origins of what is now likud, and litteral facism, this is a fact.

>It is almost certain that the signer was not "the" Albert Einstein.

if it was not, then it echos his known sentiments exactly.

Zionism is litterally Jewish National Socialism, while the left zionism might have been far more on the socialist side, the founders of likud's only critique against actual Fascism was "it was against the jews, otherwise we'd support it",

Einstien was a labor zionist, that broke pretty early against zionism as a whole, for obvious reasons.

Historian 12/01/25(Wed)04:59 No. 11345 [Reply]

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The good guys lost the Napoleonic wars.

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Historian 13/06/17(Mon)10:25 No. 13813

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Napoleons Military Dictatorship >>>>>>>>>>> Austria, Russia and Prussia of the time.

Historian 14/10/15(Wed)09:29 No. 14447

Boring shit.

Historian 14/11/29(Sat)17:42 No. 14473


compared to the revolutionaries he replaced sure, but compared to the whole wad of self described "conservative alliance" against him, he was a liberator.

Napolean is probably the best dictator in history hands down.

viva le revolution

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