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Ukraine & Belarus (Belorussia) and their mythical nationalisms Historian 15/06/06(Sat)06:11 No. 14625 [Reply]

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Both Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism are so misguided. They side with the Western, Latin occupiers (Poland, Lithuanian, Austria-Hungary) and ignore the fact that Belarussians and Ukrainians are part of Rus. They have more in common with the so called "Great Russians" of the Russian Federation than with Westerners.

Why is this? Why do they love their myths so much?

Nationalists lie, and one would be remiss to think that Russian nationalists are immune. But through a purely historical analysis, one can see the holes in the nationalist movements of Ukraine and Belarus. The departure from Rus which is present in both is not only a betrayal of ancestors but a change of identity. Ukrainian and Belarussian nationalism are far more Polish, far more Lithuanian, far more Austrian, than they are Ukrainian and Belarussian.

Ukrainians and Bealrussians are in fact Russians who lived under Western European rule. That is the only difference between them and Muscovy. Why embrace the foreign chains? Why deny one's identity in favor of a foreign force? Why seek to create weak, poor states continually begging for alms from the West? Why not re-unite with the Russian Federation to restore Rus?

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Historian 15/06/20(Sat)06:13 No. 14658


the only "greater culture" in the world is british culture, russian-ness isn't even real
sorry but if you want to define yourself as inherently inferior with your primitive tribal mythos then that's fine but we of the common weal will reign supreme over and above you as it should be

you endorse this by your adherence to russian nationalism

Historian 15/07/03(Fri)10:38 No. 14664

>Putin is a Russian nationalist and so are his party compatriots.
Putin is about putting money in Putin's pocket, and so are his compatriots. (though to call that bunch of oligarchs a "party" is a bit of a stretch)

If you're not being paid by Putin to write this tripe here, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Historian 15/07/05(Sun)17:48 No. 14672

On one hand, it is easy to understand why neighboring countries such as Belarus, Georgia, and the Ukraine (not to mention the Baltic States and Finland) are not terribly fond of Russian culture. All these countries were an integral part of one of the most brutally oppressive regimes in human history (the Soviet Union) and a pretty oppressive Czarist Russia before that. The Russians (like the Germans and the French) have never enjoyed a reputation as an enlightened, benign occupying force.

But look at the current situation from the Russian perspective for a second. Your most powerful, influential enemy has expanded right to your former western borders, with former allies joining a western alliance (NATO) that was formed for the sole purpose of destroying you. Poland as a NATO member has to be a terrifying prospect to Ivan. Couple this with the fact that the Russian people are the most paranoid bunch of folks in the world...with good reason, remember...and the attitude of the Russian nationalists is perfectly logical. So, the Russians use force to get what they want...this is hardly new behavior on their part, is it? It's not new behavior on the part of the United States and our western allies, either.

As for Putin, I am frankly surprised by his restraint. Were I President of the Russian Federation, I'd take a long, hard look at the current leadership of the NATO nations, especially the President of the United States, and my tanks would be rolling for Kiev before you could say 'borscht'; it is obvious that nobody could or would stop them.

Guess I just don't have that devious, subtle old KGB mind-set; I tend to think more in terms of 'WWGZD'...what would Georgy Zhukov do?


I don't really believe that Vladimir is that interested in money; he already has to have more wealth than he could ever spend. No, Putin is far more in love with wielding the kind of direct, despotic power that no western leader can ever do more than daydream about. Forget comparing him to Stalin or Hitler, as so many folks do...think more along the line of Queen Elizabeth (Off-With-Their-Heads) Tudor or Ivan the Terrible. That's where Vladimir Vladimirovich truly lives.

Historian 15/06/08(Mon)05:47 No. 14628 [Reply]

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How would the Japanese have colonized the western coast if they had done so before the Europeans?

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Historian 15/07/04(Sat)01:06 No. 14667


Good idea. But to keep things fair (and to stir the pot), the same advantages should apply to Spain, England, and Holland. THAT should guarantee some juicy fireworks!

Historian 15/07/04(Sat)02:09 No. 14669

let's say if they get to the tip of alaska proper (not islands) they can have a portal ride to and from queen charlotte island

so they have to island hop about the same as the europeans but this otherwise lets them traverse a bunch of who cares waters to a part that's a bit similar longitudinally to the likely landing spots of the europeans, and if they make it to hawaii they have a free pass to and from ecuador (simulating jumping to brazil from africa)

these are completely known portals, they aren't hidden, they are large enough to fit ships through, and an entire army through too, their purpose for these considerations is to equalize the ability to move that's all, and the british don't know about them at least initially to keep considerations of point of entry blockades so directly targeted, although the general fact that they're arriving around queen charlotte should be known if otherwise reasonable

Historian 15/07/04(Sat)02:38 No. 14670

it looks like japan was terrified of foreigners during the edo period, I think their sakoku would've vanished rabidly fast if they knew about north american natives though, they'd see them as a source of influence and power that could help them against the foreigners, and since they were mostly concerned with china and so on they'd probably set up two things, one puppet warlords with shogunate warriors and soldiers protecting them with the materials to do so, organizing the local native warbands and helping them achieve some form of dominance over their competitors in exchange for slaves, and gaining raw materials as well, they'd probably have become very reliant on slavery given their traditionialist views, and at the same time they'd probably be called on to fight for their puppet regimes which means they'd get into more fighting, which would mean they'd have to loosen some of the formal rules for lower class japanese out of a combination of hostility to having to fight for no gain, and increased ability to engage in banditry

I'm using wikipedia as a source of information here so some stuff might be wrong, but it says that edo japan put shoguns on one level, peasants on another, THEN craftsmen and finally merchants - this seems odd because typically it was craftsmen and merchants that were privileged above peasants I thought in medieval europe


you would get so many people signing up to go to the new land to conquer the enemies, it looks like this was all done over time, maybe the warring states period stuff wouldn't have settled this way to begin with if colonization started right at the warring states period's end

going there would also - like for britain, solve the lumber issue

finally for things I can think about the description makes japan seem highly similar to plato's republic suggestions, and I'm not so certain that's a good thing, still it looks like the society had it's ways around the formalized propaganda of an idea, as they always do

Historian 15/07/02(Thu)00:11 No. 14662 [Reply]

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Berlin Wall Historical American Dumbass 15/06/27(Sat)09:33 No. 14659 [Reply]

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I have always thought about this but had never really worked how it would happen. On November 9th, 1989, the lives of every person in Germany was changed when the wall was claimed obsolete and had the first part of the wall fell only 5 days later.

But what if the Cold War never thawed? What if the Soviet economy had somehow regained it's balance and was able to continue the Cold War? What if the wall never fell?

I leave you, The people of 7chan, to think before you post, and think of the possibilities.

Historian 15/06/29(Mon)14:12 No. 14660

I almost wonder if the current middle east stuff would encourage and foster greater cooperation between the two power blocs if the cold war continued as they would remain generic enemies/opponents for years, or the blowup in the middle-east would never have happened and it'd be a direct race to exploit the 3rd world with a gradual simmering effect instead

Historian 15/06/30(Tue)21:53 No. 14661

Likely your latter scenario . The Soviet collapse destabilized so many other parts of the world, making them ripe for the picking for the US and other NATO countries. The Middle East was never more exploited then after the Fall of the USSR. And Africa was never more ignored. Until China got its feet under it.

I would say the cold war thawed a great deal but the Russians probably feel like some old school american's do that it was better with a big bad nemesis lurking around.

ISIS and all its stupid shit are scarey and all but they will never be as good a "bad guy" as the Soviets were. The Russians (well, Putin mostly), at least from an American standpoint, seem to want to make the US their "bad guy" and get back to the good old days of nuclear weapon stockpiling, arms races, and unchecked military spending. Lets get that war cold again, there is so much more profit to be made.

To bad China is in a way better place to be the world-wide Nemesis. China would not be what it is today (good and bad) if the Soviets had stuck around.

Historian 14/02/05(Wed)05:25 No. 14129 [Reply]

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How would other countries react if Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Sweden were to all conglomerate into a single functioning unit? How pissed would Russia be? Would Germany be equally nervous?

Could this new country Scandinavia not theoretically increase positive production through unification since it provides more incentives for investing into different areas for the wealthy?

Is something like this prohibited by EU, what if they did it anyways would people start embargoing them? Would other countries/regions possibly start doing the same thing elsewhere?

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Historian 15/06/13(Sat)11:09 No. 14646

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I hate these sort of 'science is fuun!!!' posts that overuse swears to try and add punch. It's interesting on its own merits, not cus some aspie tard sperged an infographic.

Read into the controversies around climate change's shit interpretations of data and forced political goals before throwing yourself wholesale on the altar of 'science'. Faggot.

Historian 15/06/18(Thu)14:11 No. 14655

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>Read into the controversies
Why do climate change denialists always harp on controversy but never actually stop and look at the people feeding them the information they're using to "debunk" the science?

You're relying on information provided by fossil fuel companies. You don't think that maybe they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo at any cost? Remember, this is the same group of people who didn't think twice about killing and maiming tens of thousands of US citizens (not to mention countless Iraqis) by getting Chimpy there to invade Iraq for its oil; Do you honestly think they give a crap about any kind of long term impact from their business activities?

Look at the phenomenal job they're doing covering up groundwater contamination from accidents, spills, and plain old normal operations. You don't think that maybe the meteoric rise in earthquakes around fracking sites is connected to their operations, do you? Not a peep from the conspiracy theorists on those, just Jade Helm and Climate Hoax full steam ahead.

Historian 15/06/18(Thu)22:17 No. 14656

>Do you honestly think they give a crap about any kind of long term impact from their business activities?
I believe it was the ESSO CEO who said it best, "We shouldn't belive or worry about climate change as it will not affect us in our lifetime." Now, this was said in the early 2000's so the prestanding research may be outdated but damn!

Historian 14/01/29(Wed)04:43 No. 14113 [Reply]

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at what point in history did you like the united states the most?

any particular reason for your answer?

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Historian 15/06/04(Thu)02:17 No. 14622

wait is that bioshock infinite's image of washington/tin patriot, the european union flag, the nazi flag, and the american flag and that eagle?

anyways, I'm sure that there were both times when there were empires/cultures with trade links, and times when they were diminutive, remember that the pioneers had massive trade routes through native territories, and tribes could easily do the I know a tribe that knows a tribe that knows a tribe style stuff

it's very easy to not see a singular highway from china to rome and think they never had any contact but evidence suggests some stuff went both ways occasionally if I remember correctly

Historian 15/06/04(Thu)11:54 No. 14623

>wait is that bioshock infinite's image of washington/tin patriot, the european union flag, the nazi flag, and the american flag and that eagle?

Full-dress Nazi rally, the old Madison Square Garden, NYC. The Nazis were popular in America prior to the Day of Infamy. They were BFFs with the Republican Party of the day. Remember that America declared war on Japan, so Germany had to honor their actual treaty alliance and they declared war on us. And that was the end of that.

Historian 15/06/04(Thu)13:01 No. 14624

there was also

but you probably knew these. Pretty funny how the Bund went down the same way Al Capone did, by tax inspectors. Prinzf├╝hrer the Embezzler.

If they gained larger support, who knows how WWII would have progressed?

More historical nonsense from Manly Men Historian 15/05/21(Thu)13:04 No. 14616 [Reply]

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Found this article about octopus wrestling and eating contests with animals, and I started thinking, can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly? So fare I've turned up the article from above http://statbonus.com/2015/04/06/2-manly-feats-of-idiotic-strength/ and this cracked bit http://www.cracked.com/article_19246_5-manliest-hobbies-youve-never-heard-of.html except that one only has a few "historical" entries.

Historian 15/05/21(Thu)16:47 No. 14617

>can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly

No lifetime is long enough to write that book, ha!

Historian 15/05/26(Tue)12:47 No. 14620

have you ever considered the possibility that a lot of seemingly nonsensical stuff is merely the expression of processes that have their own logical conclusion that don't fit the narrative of the rational human being because that narrative is actually incorrect and the attempt to reign it in is often due to personal discomfort with the existence of differences

I mean, what else is someone supposed to do now that it's no longer acceptable to ride a horse and stab someone with a giant spear as we go past them

Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463 [Reply]

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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.

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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all

Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.

Historian 15/05/23(Sat)19:43 No. 14619

The Pequots in CT actually have an advantage there. At least, they would if they weren't losing a shit ton of cash in poor business decisions.

They open their research facility. Populate it with the people Pfizer shitcans and the kids graduating from URI. Nobody has to move far. If at all. Then they start another housing project for senior staff. Research is funded by the casino and the mall. Funds and administration is handled by the people they already have on hand. The company dregs live in the surrounding towns and cities. In time they open an academy to rake in more money.

If they didn't spend and lose millions on the MGM Grand they'd probably have enough money to do this.

Historian 15/04/27(Mon)18:17 No. 14588 [Reply]

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hi, /hi/

If we could properly determine spheres of influence in our modern world (be it cultural, political, or economic), how would you put it in map form? How do you perceive modern spheres of influence?

Some of these spheres come in political organizations (like the Iron Curtain countries in the USSR's SoI), or somethimes spheres are more abstract, and are groups within larger organizations (western Slavic countries - and most countries within the EU - being in Germany's sphere - especially economically)

Picture partially related.

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Historian 15/05/14(Thu)08:57 No. 14611

welcome back to the land of the living, that's a very great map,

some corrections on nature of quebec specifically though, if PRC is people's republic of china, quebec isn't so much that way I if / is political on your map, economically it's there a bit maybe though, and it's definitely not in the maritimes, but I'm not sure what you mean by green prc, europe though yeah

so basically just retool green to europe and switch yellow to \ and you're golden I guess!

Historian 15/05/15(Fri)23:48 No. 14612

I made quite a lot of mistakes, though it seemed fine when I first finished it :/ ...
Just to make things right, I'll correct the map when I have more free time.

Historian 15/05/17(Sun)08:12 No. 14615

it's pretty good, once you get it "perfect" according to the information I've given you'll have a good reference example to do it with anything else you want, most of this stuff was just me making it up as I went along with the posts, I gave the lazy example because it was getting a bit out of hand :p

on the other end of things I'm CERTAIN I was drawing on some old stuff I read up on about organization, and just general uniform/banner/sigil stuff that I've read up on here and there, and looked at, and just kind of generally bluh'd at vacantly without understanding until I actually went about thinking out the process of codifying something by colour and pattern if you're limited in print resources (bubble pattern within a geographical location could be an alternative form of demarcation for instance, or triangles)

it also helps that I used to make maps with an intention to create my own diceroll strategy games inspired by avalon's blitzkrieg, risk, and warhammer 40k, and because sometimes I wanted alternate effects I'd use playing cards as another form of thing, such as reinforcements/facecards special powers/jokers any/aces fortresses

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