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Celsius ## Admin ## 09/12/28(Mon)07:43 No. 1 [Reply] Locked Stickied

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Historian 15/10/14(Wed)23:01 No. 14787 [Reply]

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Can anyone recommend me some essential books relating to public history?

Thanks in advance

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Historian 15/10/26(Mon)02:57 No. 14794


yeah that's actually mostly how I got started, although I had access to personal libraries of some people with a lot of books too, and just kind of browsed whatever held my attention

this took years though, but still by going over the same topic thoroughly from different authorial perspectives you start to get an appreciation for how exactly viewpoints come out in writing

Historian 15/11/07(Sat)09:20 No. 14798

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Historian 15/11/18(Wed)15:55 No. 14802

woah, i just bought those sunglasses! wonder if i subconciously saw them here before i bought them.. neato

Historian 14/01/29(Wed)04:43 No. 14113 [Reply]

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at what point in history did you like the united states the most?

any particular reason for your answer?

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Historian 15/06/04(Thu)13:01 No. 14624

there was also

but you probably knew these. Pretty funny how the Bund went down the same way Al Capone did, by tax inspectors. Prinzführer the Embezzler.

If they gained larger support, who knows how WWII would have progressed?

Historian 15/10/12(Mon)23:13 No. 14778

>If they gained larger support, who knows how WWII would have progressed?

If the Nazis had won Europe and corrupted America, would the Soviet proxies and apparat in the U.S. have been violently purged?

Historian 15/11/14(Sat)15:45 No. 14800

>If the Nazis had won Europe and corrupted America
Since the same fat cats were controlling German as they already controlled USA, it wouldn't have been much different from today. Hitler would have been assassinated and things would have slowly cooled down, with bankers, arms dealers, oil businessmen and such doing what they do. Worst case scenario Europe would be much like Middle East is today, a flaming part of earth that is constant fighting over what part belongs to who, but certainly USA soil would be much the same it is today.

Historian 14/05/17(Sat)18:22 No. 14299 [Reply]

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If you're island government was insolvent and dependent on another country for regular multi-million dollar bailours, and you were a politician interested in fixing everything...what would you do? Country has no exceptional resources - just farm land but subject to the other countries law as an 'external territory'. I'm thinking it could declare independence and become a tax haven. I don't know if that works anymore given money laundering laws or whatever. Other options?

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Historian 15/09/29(Tue)07:14 No. 14763

Not that the liberal middle and upper class are immune to their own versions of social programming. But at least they are comforted by a smug condescending blanket of self-righteousness and a false sense of intellectual superiority.

Historian 15/09/29(Tue)08:16 No. 14764


Can't say I disagree with you. The hypocrisy can run deep and thick in both cases.

Historian 15/11/11(Wed)03:45 No. 14799

The Island that I can think of is Puerto Rico. And good luck secceding from Múrica

Ukraine & Belarus (Belorussia) and their mythical nationalisms Historian 15/06/06(Sat)06:11 No. 14625 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]

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Both Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism are so misguided. They side with the Western, Latin occupiers (Poland, Lithuanian, Austria-Hungary) and ignore the fact that Belarussians and Ukrainians are part of Rus. They have more in common with the so called "Great Russians" of the Russian Federation than with Westerners.

Why is this? Why do they love their myths so much?

Nationalists lie, and one would be remiss to think that Russian nationalists are immune. But through a purely historical analysis, one can see the holes in the nationalist movements of Ukraine and Belarus. The departure from Rus which is present in both is not only a betrayal of ancestors but a change of identity. Ukrainian and Belarussian nationalism are far more Polish, far more Lithuanian, far more Austrian, than they are Ukrainian and Belarussian.

Ukrainians and Bealrussians are in fact Russians who lived under Western European rule. That is the only difference between them and Muscovy. Why embrace the foreign chains? Why deny one's identity in favor of a foreign force? Why seek to create weak, poor states continually begging for alms from the West? Why not re-unite with the Russian Federation to restore Rus?

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Historian 15/10/24(Sat)06:07 No. 14793

That's a completely false narrative. The whole point is that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. They are both "Rus." The west has worked hard and is still working hard to convince the Ukrainians that they are a separate nation and share nothing with Russia proper.

We're talking about a region of Russia that was taken over and ruled by the Poles & Austrians for centuries, a place where the Russian vassals were instructed not to unite with their cousins in Moscow and overthrow he foreign rule. We're talking about a "nation" invented by liberal and Catholic malcontents, a "nation" invented by people who sought disunity and fragmentation.

How has the Ukrainian national experiment worked out so far, honestly? It's a disaster!!! Ukrainians suffer, and their land and asses are western property again! That was the whole point of that farcical nationalism.

Historian 15/10/26(Mon)06:12 No. 14796

Its a false narrative that both groups are Russian. If they were both Russian then Russians wouldn't treat Ukrainians different than Russians. That's a fact that has not only been historically accurate countless times, but is currently relevant. Since Russians don't treat them as Russian, therefore they aren't Russian.

Either treat them as Russian and let them do what they want, or treat them different and admit they're not Russian. You cannot have it both ways.

Similarly, if you want to complain about corruption, either deal with your own massively corrupt officials (try starting with the $40 billion Putin embezzled), or shut the hell up about some supposed corruption that doesn't nearly rise to the level of corruption present in your government.

Historian 15/10/31(Sat)11:44 No. 14797

>Ukrainians and Bealrussians are in fact Russians who lived under Western European rule. That is the only difference between them and Muscovy.
What's then the difference between Ukrainians and Belarussians? Why do Ukrainian nationalists not pretend to include Belarus in their nation (or vice versa)?
And if Kievan Rus needs to be reunited so badly, why shall it be around Moscow and not old capital? Could it be because it were northeastern principalities who broke off from Kyiv's rule first?

Historian 13/09/20(Fri)15:59 No. 13935 [Reply]

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Is it more ethical to hunt or buy from a farm/market/shop?

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Historian 13/12/02(Mon)09:57 No. 14050

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>and you'd be wrong

Historian 15/10/13(Tue)13:10 No. 14781

Youtube - Toggle Video
  lol "ethics" in food
the only things that matter are taste, safety, nutrition, and sustainability as such

Historian 15/10/13(Tue)13:17 No. 14782

where I live I'm routinely dealing with deer, raccoons, I really don't trust the deer to be honest, and at least two confirmed cougars have been spotted around the area I'm in within a week or so(one was captured and sent a ways away and the other one was spotted after), and it's supposed to be a pretty urbanized region

oh and I'm doing this in the early morning, such as in about 15 minutes, in the dark, quite often, just the other day I had a small deer decide to follow me quickly when I was going somewhere until I turned around and made moves at it then it bolted, while the raccoons tend to growl at me until I make stomping moves towards them

the crows used to harrass me during breeding season but I tended to drive them off mostly by mixing up numerous tactics to scare them

look, nature isn't a pretty sight when you know what's going on, don't get hippie on me :> night time is a more dangerous time and the things that are willing to move around then are probably mostly predatory

Historian 14/02/05(Wed)05:25 No. 14129 [Reply]

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How would other countries react if Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Sweden were to all conglomerate into a single functioning unit? How pissed would Russia be? Would Germany be equally nervous?

Could this new country Scandinavia not theoretically increase positive production through unification since it provides more incentives for investing into different areas for the wealthy?

Is something like this prohibited by EU, what if they did it anyways would people start embargoing them? Would other countries/regions possibly start doing the same thing elsewhere?

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Historian 15/06/18(Thu)22:17 No. 14656

>Do you honestly think they give a crap about any kind of long term impact from their business activities?
I believe it was the ESSO CEO who said it best, "We shouldn't belive or worry about climate change as it will not affect us in our lifetime." Now, this was said in the early 2000's so the prestanding research may be outdated but damn!

Historian 15/09/10(Thu)04:18 No. 14746

Denmark is the best Scandinavian country, because it hasn't been fucked over by the Muslims invading and shitting on the streets like they do in Sweden. If Sweden had any balls at all, they'd kick all the Muslim immigrants out to restore homogeneity.

Historian 15/10/12(Mon)23:07 No. 14777

>climate change denialists

So you can choose which set of thieving liars you want to be abused by.

The evil international petroleum industry or the evil global financial industry.

Purple or Green, dude.

Historian 15/08/10(Mon)22:05 No. 14716 [Reply]

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Why were native Americans so terrible at war?

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Historian 15/10/01(Thu)12:03 No. 14772

>Bad at drinking
Nonsense, they're fucking awesome at drinking. They'll drink your lightweight ass under the table.

Historian 15/10/03(Sat)05:29 No. 14773

Try to see the forest for the trees bruh. My form may be trollish but the message completely true.

Maybe the 80% mixed John Redcorn types.

Oh and btw if they're such beautiful, deep people in tune with nature then why are reservoirs a hotbed for incest, meth and diabetes?

Historian 15/10/04(Sun)23:19 No. 14774


its called institutionalized poverty you ignorant piece of white bread shit.

And by the way, nothing you stated was true, just racist bullshit. Go back to reading your Aryan brotherhood pamphlets and telling yourself how superior you are.

Historian 14/03/08(Sat)00:01 No. 14199 [Reply]

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What would Africa be like today if they never have had contact with outside civilizations?

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Historian 15/09/07(Mon)20:37 No. 14745

I'd guess they'd be having Industrial Revolution or be approaching it. But that, of course, is nothing but a conjecture.

For example, Africa might've become more advanced than modern society.

If old Egypt didn't have to become isolationist during Broze Age Collapse, it might've went on and expanded, uniting most of Africa (not unlike Roman Empire). Consequently, it would've had an easier transition to the iron metallurgy. Might've happened as early as 5th century B.C.

Then is would be just a question of time, until an advanced monotheistic religion (and from it - atheism and scientific method) would've developed. IIRC there were a few monotheistic religions not related to Abrahamic, so no problem there.

With some luck, Africa would've had it's scientific revolution by 1000 A.D. or earlier, giving it a (relative) headstart on Industrial Revolution. 500 years later - they put human in space.

Historian 15/09/22(Tue)22:19 No. 14754

civilization starts and flourishes in well off places, however this principle doesn't just include natural wealth in the usual subsistence sense

once economy starts to get rolling, places rich in economic wealth will develop civilization too, for instance switzerland is probably not more fertile farming grounds than most of the area but due to the extreme wealth per average person (not just averaged total but also the usual normal person as well) of the region relative to other areas it seems to be thriving a bit no?

isn't this because of its education, banking and scientific/technological "resources" built up by institutions a lot?

the inuit never really had a strong cultural society but I'm willing to bet there was a passing-by knowledge of various tribal regions and so on, like how you sometimes run into people you knew from school in a city, it might get passed on into legends at some point, for instance they'd be demons if it was a tribal war interaction, but the knowledge is there even if it doesn't coalesce enough into recognizeable modernity/nation-states or citystates

where africa lies on this I don't know, it seems a bit rich, but it also seems like the extra dangers associated with living there kind of favour tactics that require personal knowledge and care over and above convenient structures (as in the case of europe)

Historian 15/09/22(Tue)22:27 No. 14755

oh I forgot to mention, there was a video of this guy who lived amongst a tribe of amazonian natives I believe as a missionary earlier in life, they wouldn't sleep under trees even though the rain would poor down pretty hard there, the guy didn't understand why they wouldn't until one night branches started crashing down

I mean, europe's approach compared to africa's is the maginot line versus drone warfare in terms of the kinds of things you need to survive, all sorts of big animals can just crush through wicker barricades etc, and small lethal animals bypass constructed materials in various ways

it's not talked about often but you find this issue in all the backwards backwater associated areas, like florida, or nevada, texas, mexico

I'm pretty confident it interferes with the development of a society along what we consider normal lines, it's hard to explain the concept but constant tension, like you're in a combat zone, or living in one is the best way to describe it, except that because each animal is a bit more predictable once the group gets certain ideas down it's pretty easy to be confident about methods of dealing with the situation (shake your boot out, sleep on elevated platforms, everyone learns how to fight etc)

thing is, at a subsistence level, all those extra little rules actually push a society to a crawl in terms of spare time (which is not associated with siestas which are a functional thing in hot climates), it stretches the social body out too much to really take something new and run with it unless it's really obviously helpful

Historian 15/06/08(Mon)05:47 No. 14628 [Reply]

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How would the Japanese have colonized the western coast if they had done so before the Europeans?

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Historian 15/08/14(Fri)04:17 No. 14722

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Yeah at several points, China had gigantic fleets of enormous ships that utterly dwarfed anything the europeans had. Even as recently as the 1400s, they were on the prowl, and lucky for europe, when the chinese rounded the cape under Africa, they didn't keep going north forever, or they'd have certainly stumbled upon the french & brits taking pot shots at each other and destroyed them completely. Instead they went west and discovered murrica, discovered a shitload of cool tropical islands, made trade everywhere they could, spread goods and culture and technology and made out like kings.

Given the archaeological similarities between discovered works in the americas & elsewhere in the world, & how long there have been boats in this world, it's a pretty safe bet that individuals from everywhere have been steadily, continually "discovering" the americas ever since humans learned boatbuilding from neanderthals and set out on the water.

Historian 15/08/25(Tue)08:53 No. 14733

With great difficulty, since the west coast has been pretty steadily populated for about 15,000 years, by many, many cultures each more experienced than the last, well-seasoned in the most brutal and effective warfare tailored to the land and environment.

Historian 15/08/27(Thu)20:34 No. 14738

>>> 14733

uhhhh...what are you talking about?

There is some evidence of Chinese contact with Western South America. A bit of pottery and chickens I think is what is boils down to. Likely following the island chains across the Southern Pacific. Not sure that would have ever been a conquest priority for them or Japan. China sat on and controlled the Spice Road the largest and most profitable trade route in history. They had no need to trade extensively with isolated island villages and extremely distant cultures on the opposite side of the ocean when they had the entire eastern hemisphere from Europe to South East Asia tied into their trade network.

The Europeans "found" North and South America by fucking accident. They were trying to find a cheaper way to trade with China and India that didn't involve all the trade middlemen between Europe, the Middle east, Persia, Afghanistan, the Steppe etc etc.

Why waste time conquering incredibly distant lands when you are too busy securing the trade network that has already made you and your ancestors incredibly wealthy, while other cultures wipe each other out trying to get cheaper or larger access to it?

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