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Celsius ## Admin ## 09/12/28(Mon)07:43 No. 1 [Reply] Locked Stickied
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Historian 14/11/11(Tue)09:03 No. 14463 [Reply]
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Rough idea just coming together here, but at least half the people who live in the USA want to live in another USA. ...a USA without most of the US government. ...if the Native American reservation lands are technically Sovereign Nations unto themselves, but reside within the borders of the US... they get the security of the USA by default, but...

and they were to say "heyyy, huge corporate & biotech & energy companies, all the shit the squeamish US Gov doesn't want you to do, Stem Cell research, Cloning, Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactor, etc... We're gonna designate this area over here, where you can do it all, & if your corporate headquarters & employees want to relocate here, we're simply going to extend everyone a 4% flat tax to you and your employees, and you can tell the US Gov and the IRS and SEC and their costly bureaucracy to go get stuffed.

The US Government would be woefully unable to compete with what a Tribe could offer. Those lands would quickly become the most valuable lands in the world, still owned by the tribes, because of the legal protections the tribes provide, and even on such a looow tax rate, those tribes would ensure the companies remain happy, and grow wealthy enough to not need the unreliable pittance from the US Gov, begin to acquire more of their own lands back, and finally prosper as the cool landlords of the worlds most desirable, powerful nations, probably the best role anyone could ever hope for, could stop relying on & self destructing from the casino racket, could afford to develop modern cities reflecting their own culture (instead of all the displaced european replica cities we're used to), the world would get the science it wants, etc etc etc.

If we willed our lands to Native Tribes, we'd be willing it away from the shitty US Government...

...I can't believe I'm thinking what the native americans need are giant corporations, but fuck there's a way to build an alternate USA.


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)08:37 No. 14526

Interesting notion, but it will never happen. The concept shares the same failing as the 'sovereign citizen' movement; while I agree with the sentiments expressed, I am not so eager to be shot in the head by our bloodthirsty and paranoid Geheime Staatzpolizei.

While it is cold comfort, take solace from the fact that the Federal Government will be abolished within a half century and we will all be under Sharia law, unless our inept political leadership get their thumbs out and DO something, and that does not seem very likely to me at all.

Allahu Akbar, y'all


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Historian 15/02/27(Fri)21:57 No. 14527

>>14526
>we will all be under Sharia law
Step back from the computer and stop drinking the kool-aid son.


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Historian 15/05/23(Sat)19:43 No. 14619

>>14468
The Pequots in CT actually have an advantage there. At least, they would if they weren't losing a shit ton of cash in poor business decisions.

They open their research facility. Populate it with the people Pfizer shitcans and the kids graduating from URI. Nobody has to move far. If at all. Then they start another housing project for senior staff. Research is funded by the casino and the mall. Funds and administration is handled by the people they already have on hand. The company dregs live in the surrounding towns and cities. In time they open an academy to rake in more money.

If they didn't spend and lose millions on the MGM Grand they'd probably have enough money to do this.




Historian 14/01/29(Wed)04:43 No. 14113 [Reply]
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at what point in history did you like the united states the most?

any particular reason for your answer?


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Historian 15/03/28(Sat)08:20 No. 14563

>>14561
the USA only bombs 5 countries at the same time to preserve the peace in Europe, they're far enough away for no one to be able to do anything about it. If they didn't one of the European powers would have to which would lead to chaos in Europe.


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Historian 15/04/15(Wed)09:03 No. 14573
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The 1100's, before it was USA, when nearly all the independent sovereign nations thought they'd give their tribalism and fighting a rest, and united to form the largest empire in the word at the time. Connecting trade routes from the copper mining & metalwork in the north along Lake Superior, the seafood resources all the way down florida, the clay work from the west, the boatbuilding and woodwork from the northeast, the artistry and craftsmanship from every region, and exploded in power and wealth and mercantilism, saw it quickly destabilize, until the increasingly impoverished and powerless masses learned the valuable lesson that maintaining centralized power over the entire continent of 200 million people is guaranteed to end in corruption and doom, because there are too many different varied environments that give way to too many ways of life and and too many different cultures that arise from them, and forcing a culture mashup of all of them was the death of what made their cultures unique and interesting and effective. It was better being smaller, independent nations, with their own constitutions and agreements and treaties between them, enabling migrating with the seasons through each others territories, far better in every way to sedentary urban life and hordes of do-nothing unproductive mouths to feed. So they broke down the walls the wealthy ruling class had erected to keep them out, chopped their heads off, burned the civilization to the ground, and went their separate ways, back to their independent nations.

Whether you think of it as a failure or a victory is entirely subjective, but either way, that's my favorite point in US history. Because admit it or not, it is the history of this place, and it is still relevant as hell.

Fast forward 600 years, and Europeans escape Europe, to build... the same thing here. And ever since, our ultimate root problem is the dysfunction of independent states trying to be "laboratories of democracy" doing whatever batshit crazy crap they want, combined with an overarching single central all-powerful federal government that moves too slowly to keep up with the times and no longer reflects the will of the people, legitimately corrupt, becoming more and more of a hinderance and less and less useful and relevant as time goes by, while its 300 million subjects find themselves stuck in sedentary lives, convinced it's as great as it gets, while getting lazy, fat, diseased, poisoned, poorer, powerless, miserable and angry about everything.

Shit is downright poetic.


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Historian 15/05/22(Fri)20:12 No. 14618

>>>14573

What post modernist koo-koo North American Prehistory 101 class did you take? Trade networks were extensive but this description of a centralized entity managing and controlling the continent sounds like someone reaching for Marxist Theory and missing both the Theory and reality. Something can't collapse that never existed. Interregional trade does not presume interregional cooperation or centralized control.

Your assessment of modern American society is pretty good but your not relying on inference for that. That's just good old fashioned opinions formed from biased personal observation.




More historical nonsense from Manly Men Historian 15/05/21(Thu)13:04 No. 14616 [Reply]
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Found this article about octopus wrestling and eating contests with animals, and I started thinking, can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly? So fare I've turned up the article from above http://statbonus.com/2015/04/06/2-manly-feats-of-idiotic-strength/ and this cracked bit http://www.cracked.com/article_19246_5-manliest-hobbies-youve-never-heard-of.html except that one only has a few "historical" entries.


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Historian 15/05/21(Thu)16:47 No. 14617

>can we fill a textbook with historical nonsense done by men trying to be manly

No lifetime is long enough to write that book, ha!




Historian 15/04/27(Mon)18:17 No. 14588 [Reply]
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hi, /hi/

If we could properly determine spheres of influence in our modern world (be it cultural, political, or economic), how would you put it in map form? How do you perceive modern spheres of influence?

Some of these spheres come in political organizations (like the Iron Curtain countries in the USSR's SoI), or somethimes spheres are more abstract, and are groups within larger organizations (western Slavic countries - and most countries within the EU - being in Germany's sphere - especially economically)

Picture partially related.


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Historian 15/05/14(Thu)08:57 No. 14611

welcome back to the land of the living, that's a very great map,

some corrections on nature of quebec specifically though, if PRC is people's republic of china, quebec isn't so much that way I if / is political on your map, economically it's there a bit maybe though, and it's definitely not in the maritimes, but I'm not sure what you mean by green prc, europe though yeah

so basically just retool green to europe and switch yellow to \ and you're golden I guess!


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Historian 15/05/15(Fri)23:48 No. 14612

>>14611
I made quite a lot of mistakes, though it seemed fine when I first finished it :/ ...
Just to make things right, I'll correct the map when I have more free time.


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Historian 15/05/17(Sun)08:12 No. 14615

it's pretty good, once you get it "perfect" according to the information I've given you'll have a good reference example to do it with anything else you want, most of this stuff was just me making it up as I went along with the posts, I gave the lazy example because it was getting a bit out of hand :p

>>14590
until
>>14595
on the other end of things I'm CERTAIN I was drawing on some old stuff I read up on about organization, and just general uniform/banner/sigil stuff that I've read up on here and there, and looked at, and just kind of generally bluh'd at vacantly without understanding until I actually went about thinking out the process of codifying something by colour and pattern if you're limited in print resources (bubble pattern within a geographical location could be an alternative form of demarcation for instance, or triangles)

it also helps that I used to make maps with an intention to create my own diceroll strategy games inspired by avalon's blitzkrieg, risk, and warhammer 40k, and because sometimes I wanted alternate effects I'd use playing cards as another form of thing, such as reinforcements/facecards special powers/jokers any/aces fortresses




Historian 15/04/17(Fri)20:37 No. 14579 [Reply]
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When did war stop being glorious?

In the past people joined the war with intention of gaining honor.

I reckon it was the Civil war that really ended the glory of war. I think it has something to do when warring countries ceased to respect eachother.


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Historian 15/05/06(Wed)13:01 No. 14605

that would only apply to beginners, and arguably not that much considering the general instinct of the time was such that the soldiers were easily as much driven to fight as willing to on their own judging from the munities and drafts

also a given since snipers would plink near each other and the routine artillery bombardments on the same spot were a way of reducing casualties, and they developed a tit for tat rationalizing in case shells went astray and actually hit someone by landing where it shouldn't have


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Anonymous 15/05/12(Tue)07:59 No. 14607

War was never truly glorious to begin with. Generally power-hungry people, with a lot of influence and money, are able to paint war as being glorious. By doing this, they can get more people to use as pawns to fight wars for them.


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Historian 15/05/12(Tue)11:32 No. 14608

that's right, I also just remembered that orwell's homage to catalonia has a lot of stories where combatants were quite friendly until officially ordered and driven to kill each other within the republican side, and a lot of fighting wasn't that fierce, mostly a lot of grandstanding and position holding at least in his area and that was 1934

in afghanistan, things went from the US rolling over positions to groups responsible for a location negotiating with the taliban, not going on certain routes in exchange for not getting mortar strikes on their base

once the reality of warfare hits, unless you actively disrupt it, the normal human process is about finding a way out of the situation, ideological fights and dynamic warfare where who you're fighting changes, the region you're at shifts and so on make it less prone, but even in world war 2 for instance there was a lot of surrendering in the european side

obviously the eastern front had 2 totalitarian regimes fighting each other, so it was far far less but even then it occurred, so it just goes to show how strong the tendency is for peacemaking amongst those actually involved in the situation, this is why totalitarianism is associated with warmongering, because it's the only ideology that has such an active ability to obstruct independent decision making through its series of controls and agency reduction tactics

through propaganda so that the person doesn't think they should have the agency, through hero worship where the person has it in general but acquiesces to the perceived will of another, through hierarchial structures that demand loyalty to the general concept as well as punishing those who don't obey

it provides all manner of reasons to excuse one's self for their behaviour and promises all manner of misery to those who don't




Historian 14/03/08(Sat)00:01 No. 14199 [Reply]
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What would Africa be like today if they never have had contact with outside civilizations?


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Historian 15/04/25(Sat)03:22 No. 14586

>>14575
That history map is arbitrary in its manner of depiction. And serves no real function.


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Historian 15/04/30(Thu)08:59 No. 14596

>>14586
>serves no real function

I don't know about that. It does lay out quite a lot of the more commonly known empires all at once before your very eyes, reminding you that there have been more than just the couple they bovvered to teach johnny in public school. So that's one purpose.


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Historian 15/05/02(Sat)01:46 No. 14597

>>14596
considering other sources of information available to the public school johnny, i wouldn't say it's necessary though. an uninterested johnny would hardly look at such an image and decide to study it to gain information. an interested johnny, however, would derive information from better sources, and will already have the information conveyed from the image from somewhere else (possibly from the thing that gets johnnies nowadays interested in history - video games)




2001 political forum game Historian 15/04/25(Sat)04:56 No. 14587 [Reply]
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This may not qualify too much as "history" even though it takes place over ten years ago, but there's a forum game going on. You play as a country. It is a game in that it has underlying mechanics and a list of possible actions to undertake (either diplomatic, economic, covert or military in character). The RP is on the light side, you don't need to write walls of texts. It also requires little time commitment to play since it's turn-based.

Link: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx




Historian 14/02/05(Wed)05:25 No. 14129 [Reply]
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How would other countries react if Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Sweden were to all conglomerate into a single functioning unit? How pissed would Russia be? Would Germany be equally nervous?

Could this new country Scandinavia not theoretically increase positive production through unification since it provides more incentives for investing into different areas for the wealthy?

Is something like this prohibited by EU, what if they did it anyways would people start embargoing them? Would other countries/regions possibly start doing the same thing elsewhere?


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Historian 15/04/05(Sun)09:38 No. 14566

>>14565
7chan? No.

Everyone just sits in IRC instead of posting.


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Historian 15/04/15(Wed)09:33 No. 14576

>>14566
I do, because I refuse to use IRC, since it is not 1995 anymore and I don't like direct interpersonal communication.

I check in here once a month or so and see what three people have said since last time.

If this board were called Culture and History, it might get more attention, because most people are instantly put off by remembering their high school history class taught by their drooling ape of a football coach, and the thought of spending their free time on a board titled this is unthinkable.

But if it were called Culture and History, it'd probably be full of pop culture drivel that should really be on /b or /me instead.

So it remains a nice quiet, bookish corner here in the land of the 7 chins, and that's pretty nice.


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Historian 15/04/15(Wed)21:57 No. 14578

come to think of it, isn't russia just one big northern country, wouldn't conglomerated "nolandmarkden" be completely banal and icy with nothing to show for it? like nunavut? would anything happen? I think they might start an ethnic conflict over all the differences to be honest, their differences tend to be pretty strict from what I got despite being somewhat easy going with each other, kind of the way canadians and americans are different

>>14576

I was going to troll you by posting a song to the theme of ghostbusters about mythbusters and about how to de-bookify nerdiness in the vein of annoying pop culture with a picture of 9/11 with the planes and buildings switched with the caption "I reject your reality and substitute my own" but then I realized mythbusters works as a title for ghostbusters almost since all the paranormal stuff are derived from mythology

to be fair though it's not 2005 either, everyone knows FB is where the hip and with it are, and tumblr/twiturd - what if THOSE were conglomerated into a single functioning unit!

if you had to, which sites would be best represented by norway, finland, denmark and sweden, what would happen if those were conglomerated? (just to avoid getting too off topic)




Irredentism Historian 15/03/12(Thu)21:54 No. 14534 [Reply]
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What would the best possible union be, /hi/?

http://strawpoll.me/3854422


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Historian 15/03/20(Fri)11:16 No. 14547

>>14546
oh come on, that's what made it so lovely!


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Historian 15/03/25(Wed)07:53 No. 14552

>>14537
Ahhh to still live in the 1990s.


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Historian 15/03/29(Sun)09:50 No. 14564

India, Sri Lanka, Madagascar

Hail the Jungle Nation of Hunger




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